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I got this through the post the other day - I'd ordered it in the first week of the current sale. Just a few comments -
HAWKINS ON MURDER is hands-down great! Really spunky Main Theme (can I say that although I'm British?), and some of Goldsmith's most tender underscoring, from the time he was leaning on that kind of "Neo-Bach" (hope you know what I mean) stuff. Very plaintive, and extremely similar to the "Renaissance" (as Lukas K and Jeff B call it in the liner notes) material in the superb THE ILLUSTRATED MAN (which I coincidentally received in the same shipping).
WINTER KILL takes a bit of getting used to. There is such a polar extreme between the bright Main Titles, which sounds as if it could be for BANANA SPLITS, and the extremely dark, experimental noodlings of much of the rest of the score. Amazing to think that this was for a fairly run-of-the-mill (?) TV Movie. By the way, I wonder if Lukas and the gang deliberately decided to break from their usual "C and C" presentation here, putting some of the weirder tracks as "Bonus Material", knowing that it would have been too much as a chronological listening experience... I think Thor sold it anyway!
BABE is very nice. On first listen I thought it was very "samey", but it's one of those things which shows its nuances on repeated listens. It's perhaps the first indication of "Goldsmith-Lite" in his career, about 20 years before he really started going that way - much of it puts me in mind of the very tranquil first track of BAD GIRLS ("The John").
Anyway, I'm giving this a thumbs up, and if you want it now, you're gonna have to pay 20 dollars. Think about it before you spend the money on beer!
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Jul 4, 2009 - 3:57 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't share your enthusiasm for this, Graham. However, it was not so much the presentation, but in this case the actual music itself that turned me off. Here's what I wrote in the previously listed thread back in 2006:
"When the FSM print issue ran out a year ago or so, I got to pick two CD's as compensation. I took a chance on this because I liked the sound clips of all the MAIN THEMES. However, when the CD arrived, I was VERY disappointed. The rest of the score was meandering, directionless plunking. I love experimental/dissonant/textural music in general, but this just left me completely cold and was in fact a bit annoying at times. I think I'll trade it away if I ever get the chance."
And sell it I did.
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I got this through the post the other day - I'd ordered it in the first week of the current sale. Just a few comments -
HAWKINS ON MURDER is hands-down great! Really spunky Main Theme (can I say that although I'm British?), and some of Goldsmith's most tender underscoring, from the time he was leaning on that kind of "Neo-Bach" (hope you know what I mean) stuff. Very plaintive, and extremely similar to the "Renaissance" (as Lukas K and Jeff B call it in the liner notes) material in the superb THE ILLUSTRATED MAN (which I coincidentally received in the same shipping).
WINTER KILL takes a bit of getting used to. There is such a polar extreme between the bright Main Titles, which sounds as if it could be for BANANA SPLITS, and the extremely dark, experimental noodlings of much of the rest of the score. Amazing to think that this was for a fairly run-of-the-mill (?) TV Movie. By the way, I wonder if Lukas and the gang deliberately decided to break from their usual "C and C" presentation here, putting some of the weirder tracks as "Bonus Material", knowing that it would have been too much as a chronological listening experience... I think Thor sold it anyway!
BABE is very nice. On first listen I thought it was very "samey", but it's one of those things which shows its nuances on repeated listens. It's perhaps the first indication of "Goldsmith-Lite" in his career, about 20 years before he really started going that way - much of it puts me in mind of the very tranquil first track of BAD GIRLS ("The John").
Anyway, I'm giving this a thumbs up, and if you want it now, you're gonna have to pay 20 dollars. Think about it before you spend the money on beer!
I agree, Graham, I'm glad you like it. It's a super FSM release!
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So Thor didn't like it, but Steve did. That's fine!
Just one additional comment, which perhaps deserves a thread to itself - Yeah, Thor, I generally don't like "meandering" or "directionless" material, but I thought that it was interesting enough in this case. Some composers can do what Goldsmith called "fucking around music" well, others just seem to tread water and try to fill silence. For example, I always found Leonard Rosenman an absolute master at sustaining interest (as pure music) when for some he just seemed to be randomly doodling. I know you don't go in for his stuff, Thor. Fielding could sustain interest, a permanent inner tension if you like, whilst seemingly doing nothing. Goldsmith was, I feel, hit-or-miss in this respect. WINTER KILL eventually won me over here, but I had to work at it!
I wonder if this ties in with the thread I've just started - "Do You Think Too Much Whilst Listening?"
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Oct 13, 2010 - 10:16 AM
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This thread made me reach for my mp3 player to give it a listen....and it wasn't on it!
I was sure I'd transferred it over (minus the sound design tracks).
So, I had to make the loooonnnngggg journey to my CD cases, to grab the disc from my Jerry section.
It's a great, diverse sampler of Goldsmith's many styles.
I love the main themes from Hawkins and Winter Kill. Just ace 70's Goldsmith.
My favourite track is the final one from Winter Kill (Fatherless Child). Echoes of First Blood in that one, together with Breakheart Pass. Sublime.
The strange, experimental sound cues are an aquired taste. To me, they aren't my favourite tracks to listen to. They remind me how similar noises ruin my enjoyment of his Peter Proud score. I'm reminded of Logan's Run too.
Babe is a 'nice' score. I agree with Graham - for a change  - a bit repetitive with the main theme, and an early indication of his lighter (blander?) side. A little goes a long way, but it's lovely delicate stuff anyway.
Finally, I've made so many positive comments about FSM discs over the years, I reckon I'm allowed one negative about this one.
I hate the cover! Really hate it. When I dug the CD out, the cover I'd left showing was the inside booklet cover, with the 3 'TV guide/trades' posters over gray background. Not the best, but I prefer it over the one used.
I'm pretty certain FSM had very little to work with, but this joins a few others (Guide For The Married Man/Ace Eli & Rodger of the Skies), where I've changed things around a little to help my weird O-CD presentation ways.
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I enjoyed your reminscence about trying to tape the music off the original broadcast while trying to shoo the family out of the room. Perhaps that's part of this CD's appeal to me, in that I fondly recall movies like WINTER KILL being on cable TV during the day, but I just like this edgier, experimental Goldsmith sound. I also have a growing fondness for those 1970s-era synths.
