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 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Yesterday, I watched TRL for the third time; the first on a high-end home theater system.

Like ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, this film gets better every time you watch it. In fact, you must see it more than once to grasp the complexities and beauties of this masterwork. And, again like OUTIW, the films themes deepen and resonate more strongly as one gets older.

I was lukewarm to it after my first viewing. I now consider it one the best, if not THE best, film of the nineties.

Of course, the music is absolutely essential in the film's experience.
Watch the first ten minutes: has any director ever constructed a more beautiful marriage of music, imagery, and dialog?

Faure's "Requiem", Melanaesian hymns performed by the native population and hauntingly orchestrated to form Whit"s Theme" (frustratingly not on the soundtrack); Hanz Zimmer's ambient, moving, evocations of sea and sand and time.

After Terence Malick's definitive take on the Pacific War I find myself unable to watch LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA, FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS etc.

He has made the defintive WWII epic and a film for the ages.

Check it out!

Bruce Marshall

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

Gosh... I'm rather tempted to put this on my Netflix queue, but I thought "The New World" was...............

..... never mind, don't have time! wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Yesterday, I watched TRL for the third time;

Did anyone else get horrible memories of Carson Daly and horribly edited music videos when reading this sentence?

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Gosh... I'm rather tempted to put this on my Netflix queue, but I thought "The New World" was...............

..... never mind, don't have time!


I too have mixed feelings about The New World. Parts of it are gorgeous and resonate deeply with me (especially the last 10 minutes), but the whole of it seems like someone took a 5 hour movie and cut it to 90 minutes.

On the other hand The Thin Red Line is amongst my all-time favorite movies. Its certainly not for everyone because its long and poetic and has about 25 actors in it with vauge stories and musings. Its a beautiful peice of work and John Toll has never, ever done better work.

I also absolutely love the score by Hans Zimmer. I'm normally a little cold toward his output with a couple noteable exceptions (Paperhouse, The Last Samurai) but this is a beautiful, dream-like work by him. Very haunting and very singular. It's probably the only work by him I'd freely recommend to anyone interested in film score and its easily amongst my favorites from the 1990s.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   larry bender   (Member)

THIN RED LINE a masterpiece. NEW WORLD a total bore. go figure.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

THIN RED LINE a masterpiece. NEW WORLD a total bore. go figure.

I think the same between Badlands (masterpeice) and Days Of Heaven (total bore - though the music is stunning).

Perhaps Malick goes through phases like Star Trek movies?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

I really like The Thin Red Line, it did take me a few watches to get into it though. I loved the score from the first viewing. It was the reason i went out and bought Faure's Requiem on cd, i was disappointed that piece wasn't on the score release when i first bought it.

Also, the music when the Americans charge into that encampment and there's a big fire-fight, is that not on the album? I haven't seen it in a while, but i seem to recall it really pronounced drums or something. Maybe it's common knowledge but i don't know.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)



I too have mixed feelings about The New World. Parts of it are gorgeous and resonate deeply with me (especially the last 10 minutes), but the whole of it seems like someone took a 5 hour movie and cut it to 90 minutes.
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Which is essentially what happened, although oddly enough, the shorter cut was better reviewed than the longer cut that was released for the festivals. At the time, Malick promised that his original cut would return for DVD, but I haven't seen any sign of it. Does anyone here know of any progress on this?

Pedestrian Wolf

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Also, the music when the Americans charge into that encampment and there's a big fire-fight, is that not on the album?

I believe the cue you're thinking of is Track 3 - "Journey To The Line" which was the track that made me rush out to buy the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)



I believe the cue you're thinking of is Track 3 - "Journey To The Line" which was the track that made me rush out to buy the album.


Ah, i knew it was on the album somewhere, i thought it was/is a great cue - but it just seemed to me that it was like a slightly different version in the film, like more pounding or something - maybe i'm just not playing it loud enough or remembering it wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 9:43 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

Now that I'm back from work, I'll elaborate a little. I agree with LeHah... while the film was fairly long as it was, Malick's vision just couldn't be communicated in the time slot available, thus leaving many scenes and concepts all but completely unelaborated and confusing for many.

Also... overall, Malick seemed to be more concerned with making a beautiful piece of cinematic art than a cohesive and engaging film. The cinematography, acting, etc. were pretty impeccable, but the overall result just left me cold. Sad, because I had somewhat high hopes for the movie (I convinced my 3 sisters to see it with me).

Finally, there were *way* too many voice-overs. By about 2/3 of the way through the film, I began to be surprised when a character's lips were actually *speaking* the lines. roll eyes

I think I'll add the Thin Red Line to the queue. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)



Ah, i knew it was on the album somewhere, i thought it was/is a great cue - but it just seemed to me that it was like a slightly different version in the film, like more pounding or something - maybe i'm just not playing it loud enough or remembering it wrong.


In the film the Zimmer music transforms into Charles Ives' "The Unanswered Question". Perhaps the only "questionable" musical decision by the director.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

I saw the last part of TLR, and thought it was very repetitive, pretentious and self congratulatory. It made the impression on me as this is film that was made by actors who really want to portray themselves as the intelligent and socially aware elite. It was very aware of its arthouse anti-war status.

Two raids on Japanese camps with that semi whispering voice asking "why are we doing this, why are we this way?" really became a pedantic way of hammering home a very obvious message.

For anti war films I like to look at less obvious films that never set out to be so extremely artsy and self indulgent. I found several scenes in "Bat 21" far more powerful than TLR, Apocalypse now, Full metal jacket put together.

Bat 21 is a war picture that sets out to tell an adventure but that together with its viewers is confronted with what war really means. The artsy ones are the very opposite. They pretend to show the horrors of war, and question the human's tendency to wage war only to go overboard with graphic violence with the excuse that thát is what war is like. Just show a lot of random violence and make sure your lead characters don't know anything or commit atrocities; preferably both.

I like anything that makes people think and refrain from violence but that doesn't mean I buy into every picture that is carried down from the arthouse temple on the artistic Olympus by the most noted and quoted critics.

But hey if you like it, I'm happy you enjoy it and that your joy increases with every time you view it.

Peace and kind regards.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   Mikhail   (Member)

They pretend to show the horrors of war, and question the human's tendency to wage war only to go overboard with graphic violence with the excuse that thát is what war is like.

This is TOTALLY off topic, but... that accent above the 'a' in the second 'that' was a rather clever way of conveying the stress in the sentence, though I don't really see that done anymore in modern English. Is this an accepted practice?? smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2007 - 11:25 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

In the film the Zimmer music transforms into Charles Ives' "The Unanswered Question". Perhaps the only "questionable" musical decision by the director.

Yeah, I believe it starts right after the attack on the Japanese stronghold. You can tell because of the weird pitched trumpets.

They pretend to show the horrors of war, and question the human's tendency to wage war only to go overboard with graphic violence with the excuse that thát is what war is like. Just show a lot of random violence and make sure your lead characters don't know anything or commit atrocities; preferably both.

Something what you said here reminded me of what the critics said about the greatest antiwar movie ever made. They said it supported faccism and was blatantly violent for reasons of violence alone. That the characters were dull and one dimensional, that it was an exercise in special effects.

(The movie I'm talking about is Starship Troopers)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Badlands is one of my all-time favorite movies. The leisurely pace and subtle nuances of the direction and performances never struck me as pretentious or contrived.

Unfortunately, Thin Red Line and New World gave me the total opposite impression.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

After years of head-scratching I came to the conclusion that Malick is the New-Clothed Emperor of American directors. He hasn't made a movie I liked from start to finish--Badlands is incredible until they get into the woods, then it really bogs down for me, with only the last scene or so pulling it out. Days of Heaven is beautiful but so static, though I liked the moment when the character who dies (don't wanna spoil it for others) hits the water. Didn't like it so much when he repeated the moment in TRL.

Others here have covered TRL's flaws. I found the cameos useless, and the movie repetitive. I loved the cuts to the woman dying in bed, and much of the photography, and the moment that says what Malick then keeps repeating for a couple of hours, when soldiers are cut down and then the sun peeks out of the clouds--Man = Bad and he brutalizes nature. Okay, Terry, we get it, we GET it, can we have a plot and characters, please? I enjoyed The New World as a music video, something I can put on the tube with the sound off if I'm stuck making lots of phone calls.

I just think Malick is another in the long line of folks who need to get cure for what so many mistake for deep thought but is in reality constipation.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)



In the film the Zimmer music transforms into Charles Ives' "The Unanswered Question". Perhaps the only "questionable" musical decision by the director.


Really? It seems to fit the scene nicely, especially with the flute quartet part removed from Unanswered Question... I can't see why Zimmer's cue didn't work, but it gave the composer to reuse it for the climax of THE LAST SAMURAI.

TRL is one of my favourite films. THE NEW WORLD is another. I don't think fans of one have to dislike the other - they're both the work of someone who has cinema in his blood.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

I just think Malick is another in the long line of folks who need to get cure for what so many mistake for deep thought but is in reality constipation.

This is one of those forum rhetoric things that never ceases to annoy me - it seems it's never enough to say we don't like something, we have to go the next step and indulge in what seems to be learned condesension, but draws on the most juvenile of metaphors. You'd already made your point - did you have to offend everyone who likes the filmmaker's thoughts too?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2007 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

Well said, Franz.

 
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