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 Posted:   Sep 17, 2019 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Ultimately I saw a team that was lacking considerably compared to the 1980 team which I think went cold at the worst time and also didn't manage its pitching right (Tommy John started Game 3 instead of Game 1 because he'd gotten hurt in his final start in Cleveland which cost him his 23rd win).

The 81 team I view more favorably just because the first round playoff series against Milwaukee and the ALCS sweep of Martin's A's did provide some atonement for the 80 ALCS loss. Reggie's Game 5 HR in the ALDS was his last great moment as a Yankee. And a couple weeks before there was this memorable brawl he had with John Denny of Cleveland.


Reggie being carried away smiling and Mr. May's failure to stop Mr. October from charging the mound makes me wonder if they planned the whole thing. The entire charade was hilarious, though.

But the 81 World Series was ultimately worse than even the 80 ALCS. Key thing there was the bullpen which was supposed to be unhittable suddenly went bad. People point to the three relief losses of George Frazier but the big failure was Ron Davis. In 1980 and 1981, Davis was arguably the first great set-up relief pitcher there ever was. He was like Mariano Rivera in 1996 in terms of being an unhittable assasin, but in the World Series he suddenly lost control of all his pitches and that really bit the Yankees in the rear in Game 4 (which they should have won). Davis's World Series choke was why Steinbrenner then banished him the next year to the Twins.

Although its true the Yankees ultimately won more matchups against the Royals and Dodgers (I have to admit back then I hated those two teams MORE than I hated the Red Sox), it's always worse if you lose the last matchup. That's why if a scenario like 2004 had to happen I wish it had been in 2003 and then we "atone" the next year.


I watched game six of the 1981 WS--the first time since it originally aired--and it's interesting to see how "unfit" some of those players look: Rick Monday, Rick Reuschel, Bob Watson, Lou Piniella...yet they were all superb players. I think Pedro Guerrero was a great player and he sure had himself a fine series.

I lost count of all the seeing-eye singles that got between Nettles (who must have been seriously injured) and Larry Milbourne, the shortstop I have completely forgotten about. Bucky Dent was injured or benched, I guess.

Davis walking Hooten was awful, and Frazier was hit hard but by no means as bad as his 0-3(!) series record would indicate. He was a "second season" call up and really was thrown into the fire. Lemon taking out Tommy John so early was a dumb tactical error. The 1981 World Series Wikipedia page states that TJ said that Steinbtenner plotted the Yankee strategy. Really? Was "George S." actually involved to that degree? If he was, that would explain all that 1980s Yankee futility.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2019 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Nettles had wrecked his thumb on a diving line drive in Game 2 (reminiscent of his defensive gems in the 78 WS) that forced him to miss the three games in LA. His absence from the lineup (Aurelio Rodriguez replaced him) didn't help in those games.

And yes, Steinbrenner was micromanaging a lot. Reggie missed the first two games due to injury and was ready for Game 3 when they were up 2-0 but Steinbrenner had Lemon bench him one more game (and that robbed me a chance to see Reggie go up against Valenzuela which I had wanted all year to see!) which backfired big time. Also bad was putting Bobby Brown in the outfield in Game 4 where he made a key defensive gaffe.

If you were watching that Game 6 telecast you probably heard Cosell prattle on about how much the team was embarrassing the city. That will tell you where Steinbrenner got the idea for his statement after the series apologizing to the city for their performance.

Game 6 of the 81 WS, with Reggie's last game and the last postseason game until 1995 is like watching the death of my childhood. I can never look at it again (just like I can't look at the 04 ALCS or Game 7 of the 01 WS; I can handle the 76 WS sweep and the 95 ALDS because those losses are a prelude to great things. Even 80 ALCS is okay because they atoned that in the 81 ALDS and ALCS the next year)

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2019 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I've covered the tragedy of the '76-'81 Yankees, now I'm on to the glory. I couldn't find much on the 1976 World Series, except the MLB highlight film and a few key moments. That '76 Reds team was a buzzsaw that destroyed everything in its path to the title.

Reggie Jackson's '77 signing was clearly the last piece of the puzzle of what was then-called "The Best Team That Money Could Buy."

I started off backwards, and watched Game 6 of the 1977 World Series first, and absolutely loved it. The way that Yankee team played *like* a team: moving runners over, sacrifice fly balls, booming home runs, and key pitching. Mike Torrez was strong in Game 6. I'm surprised he wasn't kept on, but then we wouldn't have had that Bucky Dent moment in '78. Dent was pretty sloppy in Game 6, but a few players had trouble with the turf that day.

Reggie having to wear a batting helmet in the 9th inning...the fans with their legs draped over the rightfield wall...Reggie bulldozing the fans in their en masse pitch invasion...that third Reggie HR...

Reggie Jackson's 3 home runs on 3 first pitches off 3 different pitchers is as perfect and aligned with the stars as any player ever achieved; it's my single-favorite sports moment of my lifetime--and I'm not even a Yankee fan, yet those Yankees--and those Dodgers of '77-'81--were my introduction to baseball and I still fondly remember those days.

Off to watch 1977 games 1-5...

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2019 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Oh, and congrats to the 2019 Yankees for having clinched the AL East and their 100th victory. I don't see them winning the pennant, but anything can happen...

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2019 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The amount of injuries they have gone through have taken most of the joy out of this season for me. No matter how much they spin this as a feel-good thing of overcoming the adversity it still leaves me unconvinced that they're going to march to a title. I hope I'm proved wrong.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2019 - 9:54 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The 76 team was just exhausted and drained from the grueling ALCS against the Royals which was won in dramatic fashion by Chambliss' home run in the 9th. This is my restoration of the WPIX broadcast where Phil Rizzuto's call is a million times better than ABC's where Cosell stepped all over Keith Jackson (as he would do a year later with Reggie's final home run).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HpFC392K6E&t=2828s

If they had a chance to win a game in the 76 WS, it was blown when Martin refused to use Ken Holtzman despite the staff being exhausted. Bypassing a World Series veteran just because he had a grudge against him was Martin's worst failing as a manager.

Torrez's departure after the 77 season I read was due to money and not being able to work out a contract. He made a difference in 77....and 78 as it turned out. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2019 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Going by his history, Billy was hell to work for as well as hell to live with...how many ex-wives? Four? Yikes!

...but no one built a team up faster. Shame he was so toxic to others and himself.

Eric, what is your opinion of Catfish Hunter--as a Yankee and as a somewhat controversial Hall of Fame inductee? I feel he didn't merit the HoF, but there's no denying he had some great years with the Oakland Athletics, but his Yankee years stats don't exactly dazzle.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2019 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Actually he was still married to his fourth wife when he died (I can remember slipping into his funeral mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a few minutes and seeing Whitey Ford reading some Scriptural passage).

I think with Hunter that was a case of looking beyond sabermetric standards. He was the most dominant pitcher in baseball with the A's in the early 70s and look at the number of complete games and innings he piled up that are unthinkable today. His won-loss record was a little deceiving in that he started out with a poor Kansas City A's team that only turned a corner around 1970. But 71-75 he was the most dominant pitcher in the game and then he started having arm trouble in 76 that shortened his career but in the second half of the 78 season during the comeback he returned to form by going 10-3 after a washout first half, so his 12-6 mark for 78 doesn't tell the whole story there. Whether he's a Hall of Famer or not is a bit debatable but I think they were giving him recognition based on his dominant five years.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2019 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Watched Game 1 of the 1978 World Series. Clearly the Bombers were still hungover after their one-game playoff win over Boston. However, they did show flashes of their resolve when they got to Tommy John in the late innings. Reggie got things started with his booming home run though his sightseeing of his own work was a tad much, even for him. Still makes me crave a "Reggie Bar."

Dodger defense was shaky, with Lopes and Russell committing errors and with generally poor fielding in Game 1.

Yankee players from that '78 team that have since died: Thurman Munson, Catfish Hunter, Paul Lindblad, Jim Spencer, and the manager, Bob Lemon.

Interesting South Florida connections, too: Bucky Dent attended Miami-Dade College and Jim Spencer died in Ft. Lauderdale. I used to attend Ft. Lauderdale Yankee games in 1987. Saw Bernie, Leyritz, and Kevin Maas at the start of their careers. The team was managed by Buck Showalter.

I didn't know that Jim Gilliam of the Dodgers had died so long ago...just before that series began.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2019 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

When you get to Game 5 you'll see how bad the Dodger defense really became! smile

The entire Yankee coaching staff is dead too. Dick Howser (3B coach), Gene Michael (1B coach), Elston Howard (Bullpen), Yogi Berra (Dugout), Art Fowler (Pitching Coach), Clyde King (Pitching Coach).

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2019 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Game 3 of the '78 World Series. Woody Allen and Mariel Hemingway are seen sitting directly behind the Yankee dugout.

Guidry looked tired, but thankfully Nettles got him off the hook numerous times.

Found Game 4 of the '76 series and will be watching that. I don't think I've ever seen anything other than the official MLB film.

Saw Game 1 of the '74 series. It's strange to see a WS day game and Dodger Stadium somehow looks different to me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2019 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Made what could be my last ever trip to Nats Stadium this past Saturday (my boss has had a great set of seats for 15 years but his partner has pulled out of the deal after this season leaving him unable to continue). I've always had a bit of a soft spot for them the last seven years and if I see the Yankees have a quick exit, I always hope the Nats will go further at last.

I also plan on seeing Game 2 this Saturday against the Twins though if it's an 8 PM start I probably won't get to see the finish alas due to the train schedule. Can't be helped though. I wish I could be confident but the team's injury jinx and their absolutely suspect pitching (Cashman's infatuation with "openers" and his failure to get decent starting pitching I think is going to bite this team big time) leaves me worried that the Twins might end their skid against them in postseason at last.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2019 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

That came just after Reggie's last great moment as a Yankee when he homered off Moose Haas to turn the deciding game of the ALDS around. (Note ABC's obsession with wives reactions by giving us a shot of Haas's wife lowering her head. This was something NBC never did on their coverage).

The 1976 Gamble "Topps Traded" card is perhaps one of the most memorable since it shows him with big Afro in a Yankee uniform that had been airbrushed over his Cleveland uni as the Yankees were never going to allow him to wear hair that big with the team. Yankee publicist Marty Appel told a funny story of how Gabe Paul had ordered him to call Gamble and tell him to report to the barber and how relieved he was that Gamble didn't put up an argument (and how Appel asked Elston Howard to come down to the barber to offer "support" but Ellie kept laughing the whole time).



Oscar Gamble missed out on a World Series ring, as he was with the Yankees in 1976,'80-'81, but not there in '77-'78.

Roy White got a couple rings, and good for him as he toiled with the Yankees during those bad CBS years until finally hitting paydirt in '77.

Wild Card games tonight.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2019 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Anybody interested in seeing my 1969 Mets memorabilia?

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2019 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Congratulations to the Nats for finally winning a big postseason game. It seemed to be unfolding in the way they'd typically failed for years and then finally they caught a magic moment in the Bottom 8th and get to the LDS against the Dodgers.

Tampa Bay-Oakland tonight.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2019 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Agree on Harold Baines. Lee Smith was long overdue to enter the Hall IMO. I always said so here. When you look back at his career numbers at the time of his retirement he was certainly deserving to be in there along with other great closers of his generation like Bruce Sutter and Rollie Fingers. I don't know much about these committees doing the voting today, but I'm glad Smith finally made it in.

The Baines election is certainly raising eyebrows around baseball. We shall see which other very good but not great players that had the clock run out long ago in terms of their eligibility will fare down the line.


The ' old- timers' committee was created to honor players from the era's before the HOF was created. It was never intended to get players inducted who were turned down during their lifetime.

Orlando Cepeda debased.himself with his shameful self- promotion.and counting of the the OTC.

Btw Any HOF that includes Jim " Zero RBIs in the '86 World Series' Rice, is.illegitimate.
Same goes for players like Wade Boggs who inflated their stats by playing at Fenway and had.mediocre road stats, AND. always choked in the clutch.

 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2019 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Yankees managed to pull away and prevail in Game 1 over the Twins. I'll be at Game 2 tomorrow with the 5 PM start.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Yankees have never had trouble with the Twins, so I look forward to another Yankees-Astros ALCS.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

After you've been through 2004, you ALWAYS fear the potential of the law of averages catching up with you at some point. smile

Glad the Nats held on to win Game 2 of their series against the Dodgers. With Tampa Bay getting slapped silly that offers a reminder once again about the perpetual choke jobs in postseason of the Oakland A's and why Billy Beane is the most overrated executive in the history of professional sports. This guy has won NOTHING in twenty years yet he gets a big book and movie made about him.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm sure you're waiting for that Theo Epstein biopic. After all, the man played a significant role in bringing World Series titles to previously hapless Boston--whose baseball team wins with regularity now--and the even-more hapless Cubs.

Theo is needed in Cleveland.

 
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