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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: Oliver! DVD soundtrack   Last Post   Posted:   Sep 28, 2005 - 11:10 PM     By:   GMP   (Member) Does anyone know if the New "Oliver!" cd issued with the DVD is an expanded release or is it just the same truncated RCA version that's been around for the last 35 years.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2005 - 11:23 PM     By:   joec   (Member) Does anyone know if the New "Oliver!" cd issued with the DVD is an expanded release or is it just the same truncated RCA version that's been around for the last 35 years. Its the same old LP version, supposedly newly remastered and not available outside of the DVD set.    Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 12:36 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) I have never heard anything as hauntingly beautiful as the lower strings counterpoint in As Long As He Needs Me. What an arrangement. Oh that Mr. Green.    Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 12:44 AM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) It is NOT expanded, but has been remastered with an uppermmidrange peak that will give you a headache.    Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 2:05 AM     By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member) THAT I can believe. I hope it isn't too late for the original film elements to be saved. What a travesty/tragedy that this film may never have the glorious sound mix it had when originally released.    Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 3:23 AM     By:   philip*eric   (Member) THAT I can believe. I hope it isn't too late for the original film elements to be saved. What a travesty/tragedy that this film may never have the glorious sound mix it had when originally released. Im curious - how does the dvd soundtrack differ from the original mix? I have the original dvd and the Pioneer sp. ed laserdisc and recall both as being good( the ld sound is superior though).    Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 12:10 PM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) I produced the Pioneer Special Editons dvd of Oliver and let me tell you, we had to look long and hard for a good sound source for the laserdisc. I also wanted to put a music only track on the laser, but Columbia could not find the original scoring sessions for the film. When Sony did the dvd, they did a restoration of the sound. Along the way they did some dumb things, like adding sounds on the surround that were not there,indcluding people screaming YAAAY at the end of Who will Buy, screaming so loudly, that you could barely hear the end of the number under all that shouting. There was originally two lp masters for Oliver. The original came from rCA England which had a beautiful open up cover with a boolet with photos from the film inside. The American LP did not have those and had album reverb added (the British LP did NOT have the reverb). The first American CD was the version with the reverb. It was later withdrawn and reissued without the reverb with a little note on the back of the cd saying it was a remix. It sounded very good. Thenew CD with the dvd has been equalized in a bad way and the voices fairly scream at you.    Posted:   Sep 29, 2005 - 6:10 PM     By:   philip*eric   (Member) I produced the Pioneer Special Editons dvd of Oliver and let me tell you, we had to look long and hard for a good sound source for the laserdisc. I also wanted to put a music only track on the laser, but Columbia could not find the original scoring sessions for the film. When Sony did the dvd, they did a restoration of the sound. Along the way they did some dumb things, like adding sounds on the surround that were not there,indcluding people screaming YAAAY at the end of Who will Buy, screaming so loudly, that you could barely hear the end of the number under all that shouting. There was originally two lp masters for Oliver. The original came from rCA England which had a beautiful open up cover with a boolet with photos from the film inside. The American LP did not have those and had album reverb added (the British LP did NOT have the reverb). The first American CD was the version with the reverb. It was later withdrawn and reissued without the reverb with a little note on the back of the cd saying it was a remix. It sounded very good. Thenew CD with the dvd has been equalized in a bad way and the voices fairly scream at you. Thank you, Joe, for the info - I knew the laserdisc soundtrack was excellent. Hopefully, a complete sd cd will eventually be produced with the proper sound mix.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 8:21 PM     By:   shureman   (Member) So does this mean the great unreleased Johnny Green underscoring is lost to posterity?    Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 8:25 PM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) I cold not find any raw music sessions for Oliver.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2005 - 11:25 PM     By:   manderley   (Member) .....shureman: So does this mean the great unreleased Johnny Green underscoring is lost to posterity? Joe Caps: I cold not find any raw music sessions for Oliver..... I seem to recall reading or hearing of Johnny Green talking about these masters and saying that (and I don't know why this would be so), the facilities for editing/mastering the music tapes were so poor that he had to go through the masters with a music editor, and physically cut out (!!!) small holes/lines/pieces of mag coating and backing with a matte knife in sections on each of the three tracks on the full-coat stock to fix things!!! The visual impression I got from his description was that the mag fullcoat looked very much like an old computer punch tape or piano roll with holes all through it. I believe he said that this was what they finally found for the second remaster of the CD, so maybe those were actually the session masters. Have you ever heard this Joe Caps?    Posted:   Oct 1, 2005 - 12:24 AM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) No. They were not the session masters, but the multitrack master for the soundtrack album that included the album eidts, intros, etc.    Posted:   Oct 1, 2005 - 6:18 PM     By:   SoundScope   (Member) I personaly think Green did some the most incredible scoring I've ever heard. Just between RAINTREE COUNTY and OLIVER, one can hear pure genius at work. It is heartwrenching for me to hear of these archival failures and the possibility that there may never be remasterd cd's of quite a few examples of our favorite material. OLIVER is sorely missed.    Posted:   Jun 11, 2017 - 7:19 PM     By:   mikey2573   (Member) I heard that Green's isolated score and much of his other work was donated to his Alma Mater, which means that Harvard has them. Has anyone ever checked there?    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 12:49 PM     By:   Stefan Huber   (Member) I heard that Green's isolated score and much of his other work was donated to his Alma Mater, which means that Harvard has them. Has anyone ever checked there? https://hollisarchives.lib.harvard.edu/repositories/24/resources/3221 Unfortunately, it seems as if there's only a copy of the RCA LP at Harvard.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 7:39 PM     By:   Don Norman   (Member) I heard that Green's isolated score and much of his other work was donated to his Alma Mater, which means that Harvard has them. Has anyone ever checked there? https://hollisarchives.lib.harvard.edu/repositories/24/resources/3221 Unfortunately, it seems as if there's only a copy of the RCA LP at Harvard. This version sounds like it has the correct pitch, unlike the cd that came with the DVD: https://ln2.sync.com/dl/4c3b34bc0/fy923uq9-d3rrrggp-4kgzwmym-wz5isd7n Click on the folder icon at the left side to see the individual tracks.     General Discussion: Oliver! DVD soundtrack    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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