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We had two sources for this score and in most cases the material provided from them was 100% the same, down to the sample. In the case of "Goblin Returns" one of our sources had two versions, Mix 1 and Mix 2. I forget which one of these completely nulled out with the other source. Anyway, the one that didn't null out is the "Alt Mix." It's virtually the same, but knowing the history of the various illicit versions out there, it felt best to CYA (cover your bottom).
Neil
Understandable, thanks for the answer!
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Any particular reason the "Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" song is missing on the original 2004 score album presentation on disc 1? It was on the original 2004 score album but for some reason it's missing here.
My guess would be the usual "Licensing Fees" but also probably because the material Elfman originally scored for that sequence is included instead ("Happy Montage")
The newly released LP of the original score album does not include it either
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Dec 8, 2024 - 6:18 PM
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Jeff M
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Firstly, I love this score. It’s one of my absolute favorite Elfman scores (the Doc Oc shenanigans theme alone is pure joy and makes the movie) so this release was an instant buy.
Secondly, regarding the rescore cues, I agree on wishing the liner notes addressed them, even just from a technical standpoint, but I’m so happy to have the music.
With the train scene in particular, I’ve seen the YouTube edit where Eflman’s cue is back in the film and the difference is striking and makes clear why it was rescored. Elfman’s cue, (which is amazing musically), makes it seem like “Spiderman’s got this.” It weaves in a lot of the “hero” theme, which in turn, overly-reassures the audience, undercutting the suspense, and makes the emotion of the overall sequence something along the lines of “this is magical and amazing,” certainly not bad, and arguably appropriate for a Spiderman movie, but then there is Young’s cue:
Young’s cue is relentless, really underscoring the suspense. Not only does it remove any assurance that “Spiderman has the situation under control,” but it REALLY enhances Maguire’s over-the-top performance - that Spiderman might NOT save the day and get ripped in half in the process. This feels very inline with Rami's direction and "return to evil-dead form" which this movie really relishes in visually and creatively. Not only does Young's cue work wonders in this scene, but it makes the scene afterwards more impactful - the “breath out” where Elfman’s score comes back in full force with the appreciation theme and heroism themes.
In my opinion, Young’s cue was exactly what this sequence needed. Now as far as “what really went down” between composer and director, ie: Rami not being able to articulate the above and just saying “do the temp” would be incredibly frustrating and much different from them just disagreeing on approach. I would have LOVED for the liner notes to maybe clear the air on the specifics, but, like JGouse0498 said, I would have at least appreciated some (ANY) commentary on the rescore cues.
On a final note, I’m usually a stickler for C&C (I wish there was a way to combine Troost and Folk’s cues from “Tremors” for example into a film-order program) but I love that Lalaland kept all Elfman’s music in the main program. It plays sooo well in complete form (train cue included). I then of course love having the rescores as bonus. Like others have said, nothing but appreciation for Lalaland and team for this release!
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