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Nov 2, 2024 - 6:21 AM
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CindyLover
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LLLCD 1658
Music by Danny Elfman
Limited Edition of 3000 Units
RETAIL PRICE: $39.98
La-La Land Records, Columbia Pictures and Sony Music proudly celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the classic 2004 motion picture SPIDER-MAN 2 with a remastered and expanded 3-CD deluxe presentation of renowned composer Danny Elfman’s (BATMAN, DARKMAN, MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, SPIDER-MAN) original score. This revered follow-up to 2002’s top box office hit reunited stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst with director Sam Raimi and would ultimately be praised by many as one of the great comic-book films of all time - and it would further expand and evolve the strikingly creative collaboration between director Raimi and composer Elfman.
Building on his notable work for the first film, Elfman’s SPIDER-MAN 2 score slings and swings even higher and farther. Big, bold, thematic – this is blockbuster superhero music at its most dynamic. Full of action, courage and danger, yet remarkably emotional and focused on character, heart and romance, the composer’s work is a revelation within this long overdue, deluxe presentation which finally unleashes the score in all its brilliance, remastered and greatly expanded with a treasure trove of previously unreleased material!
DISC 1 features the original 2004 score-only soundtrack assembly plus two bonus tracks, while DISCS 2 and 3 showcase the expanded film Score Presentation along with Additional Music and Additional Score Cues. Produced by Neil S. Bulk and Dan Goldwasser, and mastered by Doug Schwartz from studio vault elements, this special release is limited to 3000 units and features a 32-Page booklet with exclusive in-depth liner notes by writer Jeff Bond and heroic art direction by Dan Goldwasser.
DISC 1
ORIGINAL SCORE ALBUM
1. Spider-Man 2 Main Title 3:21
2. MJ's New Life / Spidus Interruptus 2:32
3. Doc Ock Is Born 2:23
4. Angry Arms / Rebuilding 2:51
5. A Phone Call / The Wrong Kiss / Peter's Birthday 2:07
6. The Bank / Saving May 4:27
7. The Mugging / Peter's Turmoil 3:22
8. Doc Ock's Machine 1:42
9. He's Back! 1:50
10. Train / Appreciation 6:16
11. Aunt May Packs 2:51
12. Armageddon / A Really Big Web! 6:28
13. The Goblin Returns 1:37
14. At Long Last, Love 2:56
TOTAL ORIGINAL SCORE ALBUM TIME 44:45
BONUS TRACKS
15. Spidey Suite (ALBUM VERSION) 4:00
16. Doc Ock Suite (ALBUM VERSION) 3:53
TOTAL BONUS TIME 7:53
DISC TIME 52:44
DISC 2
SCORE PRESENTATION
1. Spider-Man 2 Main Title 3:26
2. Pizza Man 1:39
3. Book Troubles 0:34
4. Riding To May's / Peter's Birthday 0:57
5. Harry Remembers / Responsible One 1:21
6. Backyard Revisited 2:01
7. Apartment Transition 0:30
8. Theatre Montage 2:01
9. Cops And Robbers 1:25
10. MJ's New Life / Spidus Interruptus (FILM VERSION) 2:08
11. Draggin' / A Phone Call 1:19
12. The Reveal 1:16
13. Blue Light 1:05
14. Fusion 1:47
15. Mayhem / Aftermath 1:26
16. Doc Ock Is Born (FILM VERSION) 2:49
17. Angry Arms 2:20
18. The Bank / Saving May (FILM VERSION) 5:17
19. Spider Fall / Rebuilding 2:30
20. Uncle Ben 2:17
21. Happy Montage 1:55
22. Peter Appeals To MJ / Newspaper 1:30
23. A Mugging / Spider-Gone 1:39
24. Doc Ock's Machine 1:44
25. Rooftop Rendezvous 1:24
26. The Fire 2:35
27. Peter's Turmoil 1:46
28. Aunt May Packs 2:56
29. Not Back Yet 1:09
30. The Wrong Kiss / Almost A Kiss 2:20
31. A Hostage 1:58
32. He's Back! (FILM VERSION) 2:01
33. Train / Appreciation (EXTENDED VERSION) 6:30
DISC TIME 68:30
DISC 3
SCORE PRESENTATION CONTINUED
1. Out For The Count 2:06
2. The Trouble With Harry 0:17
3. On The Case 2:34
4. Armageddon / A Really Big Web! (FILM VERSION) 7:59
5. The Goblin Returns (FILM VERSION) 2:38
6. At Long Last, Love 2:56
SCORE PRESENTATION CONT. TIME 18:36
TOTAL SCORE TIME 1:27:08
ADDITIONAL MUSIC
7. Harry Remembers (ALTERNATE 1) 0:47
8. Harry Remembers (ALTERNATE 2) 0:38
9. MJ's New Life / Spidus Interruptus (WITH ALTERNATE SECTION) 2:07
10. A Phone Call (ALTERNATE) 0:54
11. The Reveal (ALTERNATE) 1:16
12. Doc Ock's Machine (ALTERNATE MIX) 1:44
13. Peter's Turmoil (ALTERNATE) 2:01
14. He's Back! (ALTERNATE ENDING) 1:59
15. The Trouble With Harry (ALTERNATE) 0:18
16. Armageddon (ALTERNATE) 5:39
17. The Goblin Returns (ALTERNATE MIX) 2:37
18. Bridal Chorus* 2:11
19. At Long Last, Love (ALTERNATE ENDING) 2:55
TOTAL ADDITIONAL MUSIC TIME 25:30
ADDITIONAL SCORE CUES
20. Special Delivery** 0:53
21. Open Heart** 1:03
22. The Demonstration, Part I † 1:23
23. The Demonstration, Part II † 1:07
24. The Demonstration, Part III † 2:36
25. Cake Girl** 1:25
26. Runaway Train, Part I † 2:30
27. Runaway Train, Part II † 2:11
TOTAL ADDITIONAL SCORE CUES TIME 13:20
DISC TIME 57:41
TOTAL COLLECTION TIME 2:58:55
* Composed by Richard Wagner
** Composed by John Debney
† Composed by Christopher Young and Danny Elfman
https://lalalandrecords.com/spider-man-2-20th-anniversary-motion-picture-score-expanded-and-remastered-limited-edition-3-cd-set/
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Question -- and please don't interpret it to mean I am ungrateful about this good release:
Years and years ago, Joseph LoDuca said he did additional score for the film but wasn't sure if any of it was used. Given that he is not noted for any cues on this release (presuming this is everything in the film), I have to assume his music was indeed not used. I was really hoping a release of this score would also include his material. If ever there was a compose I was hoping would get a shot, at that time, for a Spider-Man movie, he was surely one of them.
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Question -- and please don't interpret it to mean I am ungrateful about this good release:
Years and years ago, Joseph LoDuca said he did additional score for the film but wasn't sure if any of it was used. Given that he is not noted for any cues on this release (presuming this is everything in the film), I have to assume his music was indeed not used. I was really hoping a release of this score would also include his material. If ever there was a compose I was hoping would get a shot, at that time, for a Spider-Man movie, he was surely one of them.
From what I understand, Joseph LoDuca, Steve Bartek and Deborah Lurie all worked directly under Elfman (basically as orchestrators/assistants) so anything they worked on would be credited to Elfman. For example, Steve Bartek arranged Wagner's Wedding March on his own. Young and Debney were brought in later as additional composers after Elfman left, so they get their own credits.
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Surely they'd still have cue sheet credit/co-credit and still get noted? The interview (I think it was audio) he said he did it. Just hoping for an answer, and if he just didn't get credits for tracks here, to know which ones he had some kind of hand in.
Another Toby Spider-Man film, with a score by Loduca, would be interesting. Oh well, straight from the Department of Never Gonna Happen.
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For some more in the know, what happened with Debney and Young being brought in?
Basically Elfman scored the whole thing but Raimi was in love with the temp track and kept asking Elfman to get closer and closer to it. Elfman got to a point where he wasn't gonna play ball anymore. The one I specifically remember is Raimi wanted the opening pizza delivery scored like a huge climactic action cue and Elfman thought that was not a good idea, but that's pretty much how Debney scored it.
Clearly the Doc Ock machine scene was temped with HELLBOUND so they just brought Young in to rework that material. Not sure what the problem was with the train scene but Young rescored that too. Plus there's all the tracking of cues from the first film.
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Nov 30, 2024 - 4:44 AM
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JGouse0498
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First, I'm shocked that I had to go this far back in the past 30 days to find this thread. I would've thought there'd be more discussion of this release. It is simply a delight to have, and it is a very welcome addition to my collection!
Second, if anyone was hoping to read more definitive information about the BTS difficulties...well, you're not going to find it here. For as thick of a booklet as it is, the liner notes felt rather incomplete to me. I can understand and appreciate not wanting to air out dirty laundry, but there is nothing regarding any of the extra material, which takes up the majority of Disc 3. No mention of Young or Debney--even in the most generic terms. There's not even a section detailing how LLL came to produce this album (e.g. technical notes regarding the source tapes, mixing, et al).
However, IMO, the liner notes are the only disappointing aspect of this album. I think quite a few people are going to be happy with this set.
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Nov 30, 2024 - 5:40 AM
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panavision
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Second, if anyone was hoping to read more definitive information about the BTS difficulties...well, you're not going to find it here. For as thick of a booklet as it is, the liner notes felt rather incomplete to me. I can understand and appreciate not wanting to air out dirty laundry, but there is nothing regarding any of the extra material, which takes up the majority of Disc 3. No mention of Young or Debney--even in the most generic terms. There's not even a section detailing how LLL came to produce this album (e.g. technical notes regarding the source tapes, mixing, et al).
However, IMO, the liner notes are the only disappointing aspect of this album. I think quite a few people are going to be happy with this set.
I'm guessing LLL were asked to remove/edit comments regarding the various composers' input into the score. The liner notes have to be approved by the stakeholders and probably the composers - you don't want to piss them off.
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Nov 30, 2024 - 6:08 AM
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JGouse0498
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Second, if anyone was hoping to read more definitive information about the BTS difficulties...well, you're not going to find it here. For as thick of a booklet as it is, the liner notes felt rather incomplete to me. I can understand and appreciate not wanting to air out dirty laundry, but there is nothing regarding any of the extra material, which takes up the majority of Disc 3. No mention of Young or Debney--even in the most generic terms. There's not even a section detailing how LLL came to produce this album (e.g. technical notes regarding the source tapes, mixing, et al).
However, IMO, the liner notes are the only disappointing aspect of this album. I think quite a few people are going to be happy with this set.
I'm guessing LLL were asked to remove/edit comments regarding the various composers' input into the score. The liner notes have to be approved by the stakeholders and probably the composers - you don't want to piss them off.
Which makes sense--obviously. But I would think there could be a way to edit the comments to at least acknowledge this in even the most generalized sense. After all, the music itself is included. One would think they'd refuse that as well.
What really struck me was the lack of any technical commentary (even if only a page or two). It just struck me as being one of their "lesser" liner notes.
Again though, the music is fantastic, and ultimately that is what really matters!
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I'm curious if someone who worked on this set could shed some light on the difference with "The Goblin Returns (Alternate Mix)". After not noticing anything, I lined up both versions in Audacity and phase-inverted them which just led to them fully cancelling each other out. Part of me thinks the wrong file may have been put on the set by mistake.
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