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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

He's had an incredible run...and scored many a genre of film.
Some (Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Adventure) more than others (Horror*) and plenty in between.
He bagged Christmas films with the HOME ALONE'S.
Civil War with the PATRIOT (and later LINCOLN, which merges with his Presidential biopics).
He even managed his first animated film more recently (TIN-TIN).
But what genre/style has he missed?
One could say the Biblical Epic, but they were dying out as his stock rose anyway (and we did get a little tease from him in that CE3K source cue...albeit homage-like).
What has he missed?
And what would you wish from him still (if we're blessed with future projects)?




* I think DRACULA might be his only out-and-out Horror film?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


What has he missed?


John(ny) Williams never was attached to monochrome international art cinema, such as Last Year at Marienbad or L'eclisse.
Nor did he score the type of play-to-film that Alex North or Elmer B. had done (e.g. Tennessee Williams, William Faulkner, Eugene O'Neill, etc.)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

A low budget one. He tends to get the cream.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

One could say the Biblical Epic, but they were dying out as his stock rose anyway (and we did get a little tease from him in that CE3K source cue...albeit homage-like).

Or the flashback scene from GIDGET GOES TO ROME, where he goes all Alex North. But yeah - that would be nice.

John(ny) Williams never was attached to monochrome international art cinema, such as Last Year at Marienbad or L'eclisse.

Yeah, Robert Altman was the closest he ever got to that aesthetic. In fact, he hasn't worked that much on European productions to begin with (depending, of course, on how you define "European productions"), even when you include mainstream ones. Some, and we all know them, but you can probably count them on two hands.

As I said in the other thread, I wish he had been afforded the opportunity to do more Altman-type films. I'm not sure what remaining genres are left that he didn't do? What about urban thrillers? SLEEPERS, but that's more of a drama. PRESUMED INNOCENT? Nah, more courtroom thriller. BLACK SUNDAY, possibly, but the urban takes a back seat. DADDY'S GONE A-HUNTING is too claustrophobic. I'm thinking maybe NIGHTMARE IN CHICAGO is about as close as you'll get.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"Nor did he score the type of play-to-film that Alex North or Elmer B. had done (e.g. Tennessee Williams, William Faulkner..."
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THE REIVERS (1969).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

I don't think that he has scored many documentaries. Also, I don't think he has ever worked with a major international art cinema auteur either. That's one of the reasons why Williams seldom is mentioned in serious discussions about art cinema (Robert Altman was probably the closest he ever got to that), even if he may be a big name in the blockbuster genre.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Any Mad Max post-apocalyptic wasteland films? Don't recall any.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I sometimes think he got to write a GODFATHER-style crime epic with MONSIGNOR.
The score certainly recalls that genre when listened to.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Adventures Of Tintin aside, he's never done an out-and-out animated film. Williams would have been great on an American Tail-styled emotional 'toon.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Not just biblical "epics" are missing. Has he scored any films set in periods before the nineteenth century? Antiquity? Middle Ages? Renaissance? Anything earlier than THE PATRIOT? I'm sure he could have done wonderful work in those eras. And doubtless there are hints of what he might have done in some of the space fantasies and archaeological adventure stories.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Adventures Of Tintin aside, he's never done an out-and-out animated film. Williams would have been great on an American Tail-styled emotional 'toon.

I was going to say the exact same thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

Adventures Of Tintin aside, he's never done an out-and-out animated film. Williams would have been great on an American Tail-styled emotional 'toon.


John Musker and Ron Clements allegedly asked him to write the score for TREASURE PLANET (which was temped with a lot of JW), but he declined because he was already busy with the Star Wars prequels and other commitments. In the end, James Newton Howard wrote the score and you can hear he nodded to Williams' adventure style here and there.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Chick-a-wah-wah films.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

I sometimes think he got to write a GODFATHER-style crime epic with MONSIGNOR.
The score certainly recalls that genre when listened to.



The main theme is an Italian-like minor mode melody in triple meter played on solo trumpet which may slightly recall Rota's "Godfather's Waltz", but all the rest of the score not so much, in my opinion.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't think that he has scored many documentaries.

Not many, no, but a few. Spielberg's documentary shorts THE UNFINISHED JOURNEY and A TIMELESS CALL, as well as the highly impressive - but super obscure - feature length TV documentary INSIDE THE MOVIE KINGDOM.

Not just biblical "epics" are missing. Has he scored any films set in periods before the nineteenth century? Antiquity? Middle Ages? Renaissance? Anything earlier than THE PATRIOT?

Of course, I also forgot the finale of DIAL OF DESTINY, set in Roman times. But no, outside individual scenes, I can't think of any films or television shows set prior to THE PATRIOT (an no joke about a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, please). He has sometimes tapped into earlier modes, like the medieval-sounding bits in fantasy fare like AZKABAN.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

JANE EYRE is one that could be added to his 'historical' efforts.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Evil alien invasion of Earth style film, something akin to Independence Day.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Evil alien invasion of Earth style film, something akin to Independence Day.

WAR OF THE WORLDS?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

Evil alien invasion of Earth style film, something akin to Independence Day.

Spielberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS?

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Oh yeah, never mind.

Though I would like him to score one that is not a remake/re-visioning/etc.

 
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