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 Posted:   Sep 4, 2024 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)


My daughter is headed to London in November for her first European vacation. She'll be staying in the west end and is planning to catch a concert at the London Palladium. She will be traveling solo so needless to say, we're a bit nervous but she's a smart, savvy person. She works for an international company with an office in Scotland and will be spending time with co-workers but will have some free time. I told her I would reach out on the board for any ideas UK members can offer for things to do. She's not a sightseer but likes museums, offbeat places that might be interesting.

If anyone has any suggestions that she can navigate solo safely, please feel free to share.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2024 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Skip the Harrods trip lol.

Don't go to South London. - Or at least not beyond the Southbank (of the Thames).

Call me mister grim but when out and about, try to be aware of surroundings at all times, ie don't be so preoccupied chatting loudly on mobile that you miss the mugger closing in who steals your phone or pickpockets your purse. The darker side of London means you need your wits about you. And be aware who is around you when youre paying for anything and don't leave phone or purse on a cafe table.

Basically it's the same as any big city. It attracts the seedier elements and a little caution can save a lof of grief

I leave the sights and museums for others to recommend. If she gets sick of the city, go to Liverpool street station and get a train out to the east coast and have a day at the seaside n fresh air. Leigh on Sea or Chalkwell or Westcliff. There is a long interesting sea wall walk there of several miles.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

Read Orwell's "1984" severalt times, keep your mouth shut and look out for nr.1 only and you might make it without fines or jail time.

D.S.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I was told if you travel abroad not to let anyone know you're an American. Say, Canadian.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Skip the Harrods trip lol.

Don't go to South London. - Or at least not beyond the Southbank (of the Thames).

Call me mister grim but when out and about, try to be aware of surroundings at all times, ie don't be so preoccupied chatting loudly on mobile that you miss the mugger closing in who steals your phone or pickpockets your purse. The darker side of London means you need your wits about you. And be aware who is around you when youre paying for anything and don't leave phone or purse on a cafe table.

Basically it's the same as any big city. It attracts the seedier elements and a little caution can save a lof of grief

Pretty sure I read all that in a travel brochure.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Can't remember the last time I visited London.
Certainly pre-Covid...probably some Film Music concert (JNH, Michael Giacchino...)
Used to go A LOT during the 80s, 90s and early 00s (all those wonderful Williams, Goldsmith, Jarre etc concerts).
Decent place to visit but always glad to get back home, for the cleaner air and prettier sights.
No desire to go there much now (most of the cool shops n stuff have long gone) and it looks like it's gotten far worse overall.
Like Bill says, stick around the West End and over the bridge to the South Bank for the best sights, then git while the gittin is good.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

You just don't make yourself into a "mark" for pickpockets etc. Don't wave your phone about or flaunt any cash, or put any valuables on a table if eating outside or leave bags unzipped. Standard tourist warnings.

A lot of the criminals in London seem to be Eastern European. I witnessed a mass take down of pickpockets by police in Charing Cross Road some years back. They piled in hard, knocked them flat and dragged them away in seconds. It was impressive!

Anyway, more positively, if she likes museums, London does have some of the best. I love the Natural History Museum myself, but you have so many others. You also have some of the great Art Museums, like the Tate, and the National Portrait Gallery.

You have plenty of architecture too, obviously, from historic like The Tower of London to things like The Gherkin and The Shard.

Best thing would be to buy a guidebook or two and read up before she goes, and buy a London A-Z, to make a plan and have some basic geographic knowledge, rather than rely on the good old Internet to navigate when she gets there.

Always do your research!

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Skip the Harrods trip lol.

Don't go to South London. - Or at least not beyond the Southbank (of the Thames).

Call me mister grim but when out and about, try to be aware of surroundings at all times, ie don't be so preoccupied chatting loudly on mobile that you miss the mugger closing in who steals your phone or pickpockets your purse. The darker side of London means you need your wits about you. And be aware who is around you when youre paying for anything and don't leave phone or purse on a cafe table.

Basically it's the same as any big city. It attracts the seedier elements and a little caution can save a lof of grief

I leave the sights and museums for others to recommend. If she gets sick of the city, go to Liverpool street station and get a train out to the east coast and have a day at the seaside n fresh air. Leigh on Sea or Chalkwell or Westcliff. There is a long interesting sea wall walk there of several miles.


Bill, my daughter's eyes lit up when I showed her your suggestion about the seaside n fresh air. That's her other passion. I warned her about the pickpockets but seeing your warning brought that home even more. Thanks for sharing that info.

Anything else you think of, please share.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I was told if you travel abroad not to let anyone know you're an American. Say, Canadian.

Yeah, I told her to wear all black and not to speak lest she give away her New England accent. Luckily, she's the antithesis of the American tourist (says her mama).

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

You just don't make yourself into a "mark" for pickpockets etc. Don't wave your phone about or flaunt any cash, or put any valuables on a table if eating outside or leave bags unzipped. Standard tourist warnings.

A lot of the criminals in London seem to be Eastern European. I witnessed a mass take down of pickpockets by police in Charing Cross Road some years back. They piled in hard, knocked them flat and dragged them away in seconds. It was impressive!

Anyway, more positively, if she likes museums, London does have some of the best. I love the Natural History Museum myself, but you have so many others. You also have some of the great Art Museums, like the Tate, and the National Portrait Gallery.

You have plenty of architecture too, obviously, from historic like The Tower of London to things like The Gherkin and The Shard.

Best thing would be to buy a guidebook or two and read up before she goes, and buy a London A-Z, to make a plan and have some basic geographic knowledge, rather than rely on the good old Internet to navigate when she gets there.

Always do your research!


Thanks Clark. Great suggestions.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

The latest purse snatch scam is women in cafes put handbag under chair or hangs over chair, chat away, while thief woman sits behind on next table and then hooks handbag under chair, pulls it under her own chair, then gets up n walks out with it while mark still chatting and unaware.

So tell the firecracker to keep her feet together on the bag or tie strap round her ankle. Lol

If she going in November weather likely be cold or wet but she might get some winter sun days. Sunny but cool/cold. Choose one of these for the train trip to the coast.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

I'm hoping to be there sometime November/December, hopefully meet up with my old friend, Mike Jenner. Another shopping trip to HMV is also in the works.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

The latest purse snatch scam is women in cafes put handbag under chair or hangs over chair, chat away, while thief woman sits behind on next table and then hooks handbag under chair, pulls it under her own chair, then gets up n walks out with it while mark still chatting and unaware.

So tell the firecracker to keep her feet together on the bag or tie strap round her ankle. Lol

If she going in November weather likely be cold or wet but she might get some winter sun days. Sunny but cool/cold. Choose one of these for the train trip to the coast.


Love that you remembered her nickname. She told me this morning that she is getting a "fanny pack". Oh God, bring back the 80s. The ones they have now are a lot nicer and discreet lol. Good advice Bill.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

She told me this morning that she is getting a "fanny pack". Oh God, bring back the 80s. The ones they have now are a lot nicer and discreet lol. Good advice Bill.


May I suggest you tell her, when she's over here, to refer to it as a 'bum bag'. Should save some embarrassment. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

She told me this morning that she is getting a "fanny pack". Oh God, bring back the 80s. The ones they have now are a lot nicer and discreet lol. Good advice Bill.


May I suggest you tell her, when she's over here, to refer to it as a 'bum bag'. Should save some embarrassment. smile


Fanny pack was my term, she called it a belt bag. I put it in quotes because I told her that's what old ladies call it. Misused the quotation marks I guess.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2024 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

She told me this morning that she is getting a "fanny pack". Oh God, bring back the 80s. The ones they have now are a lot nicer and discreet lol. Good advice Bill.


May I suggest you tell her, when she's over here, to refer to it as a 'bum bag'. Should save some embarrassment. smile


Fanny pack was my term, she called it a belt bag. I put it in quotes because I told her that's what old ladies call it. Misused the quotation marks I guess.


It's a different part of the anatomy over here.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2024 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes Ed, what Damian means is that, as opposed to the USA, who refer to the bum as their 'fanny' (as in "they fell on their fanny" = bum), in the UK (or England at least), we say bottom or bum (hence 'bum bag) and the fanny is...the front part of a woman.
Very confusing, I know.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2024 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

That was me being tactful. For a change.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2024 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yes Ed, what Damian means is that, as opposed to the USA, who refer to the bum as their 'fanny' (as in "they fell on their fanny" = bum), in the UK (or England at least), we say bottom or bum (hence 'bum bag) and the fanny is...the front part of a woman.
Very confusing, I know.


Who is putting this in favourite posts? Hurdy gurdy gives anatomy lesson

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2024 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Hey Bill, this is FSM Town.
It's BREAKING NEWS to a lot around here big grin

 
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