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 Posted:   Feb 20, 2024 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 20

CIVIL WAR---trailer released for the Alex Garland movie starring Kirsten Dunst.

LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4wVhs3HC0



BLACKOUT---trailer released for the werewolf movie.

LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joNZo3giagc



MADAME WEB---a source said Sony Pictures may have cancelled the MADAME WEB franchise after it bombed in its opening week, "We’re not going to see another MADAME WEB movie for another decade-plus. It failed. Sony tried to make a movie that was a different type of superhero movie.”
An anonymous Walt Disney executive commented on the failures of MADAME WEB and THE MARVELS, “More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more, our audience (or the segment of the audience that has been politicized) equates the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue.
They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in THE MARVELS or STAR WARS, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’ Which is what you’re seeing now and what Bob [Iger]’s pivot is about right now.”





MASTERS OF THE AIR---the World War II miniseries had Apple TV+'s highest premiere ever for a series in its first season, but the streamer did not release specific numbers.





TRUE DETECTIVE: NIGHT COUNTRY---the season finale had 3.2 million viewers and had a season average of 12.5 million viewers which made it the most-watched season of the franchise. Season 1 had an 11.9 million viewer average.

GODZILLA MINUS ONE---director Takashi Yamazaki commented on Godzilla's design, “We wanted to make Godzilla very, very cool for this film. The head is on the smaller side, the legs are very thick. When the feet are stomping on the ground, you can almost see the toes being raised, like a wild animal’s. And we wanted impact for the audience, so there’s an intense level of getting up close, personal and detailed, that you can’t really do with a man in a suit."
He added, "In terms of polygon counts, we’re talking millions that went into creating Godzilla this time. In terms of the skin texture, there was a dinosaur origin, but when it’s wounded, a regeneration happens and there’s a different texture, like you would see on any wound. We wanted a mix, brought in new layers that would make the look very unique.
We wanted to go back to the original reason for Godzilla’s existence. The creature is a metaphor for nuclear weapons, so we mimicked the way a weapon would work inside of his body. Each element would come together and create an implosion, and that’s when the blue rays would come out.”





THE PENGUIN---rumors claim Robert Pattinson was seen on the film set which led to rumors of a Batman cameo in THE PENGUIN.

ANYONE BUT YOU---Sydney Sweeney hinted a sequel is underway, “I can’t actually reveal all of my secrets, but Glen [Powell] and I – I mean, I was talking to him this morning. We’re talking about stuff.”

THE SIX BILLION DOLLAR MAN---Mark Wahlberg commented on the status of the movie based on the Lee Majors THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN tv series, "We've got the rights again, we're looking at making that movie - hopefully soon! Again, ticking clock. Thank God, it's an older guy who they feel like has some real-life experience that makes it worth it for him to be the subject of this experiment."

TRIVIA---Rex Reason and Jeff Morrow starred together in two 1950s sci fi movies which featured a classic monster. In the highly-regarded 1955 THIS ISLAND EARTH, Reason played Dr. Cal Meacham and Morrow played alien Exeter. The movie featured the classic alien Metaluna Mutant. In the lowly-regarded 1956 sequel THE CREATURE WALKS AMONG US, the last of the CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON trilogy, Reason played Dr. Thomas Morgan and Morrow played Dr. William Barton, and the classic Gill-man returned to be surgically transformed by Dr. Barton.

In the highly-regarded 1955 THIS ISLAND EARTH, Rex Reason played Dr. Cal Meacham and Jeff Morrow played alien Exeter. The movie featured the classic alien Metaluna Mutant.






In the lowly-regarded sequel THE CREATURE WALKS AMONG US, the last of the CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON trilogy, Reason played Dr. Thomas Morgan and Morrow played Dr. William Barton, and the classic Gill-man returned to be surgically transformed by Dr. Barton.



 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2024 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The failure of Madame Web has zero to do with the casting or the gender of the characters, it just a bad movie, and the entire comic book -hero genre is grossly overbaked and overproduced. This is really not rocket science, the reason for the failure is obvious, and not in the least bit political or any such rubbish.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2024 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

MADAME WEB---a source said Sony Pictures may have cancelled the MADAME WEB franchise after it bombed in its opening week, "We’re not going to see another MADAME WEB movie for another decade-plus. It failed. Sony tried to make a movie that was a different type of superhero movie.”
An anonymous Walt Disney executive commented on the failures of MADAME WEB and THE MARVELS, “More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more, our audience (or the segment of the audience that has been politicized) equates the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue.
They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in THE MARVELS or STAR WARS, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’ Which is what you’re seeing now and what Bob [Iger]’s pivot is about right now.”


They're so f@cking tone death. They got fingers in their ears, "La La La La La!!! I hear nothing!".

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2024 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in THE MARVELS or STAR WARS, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’

This has got to be one of the richest veins of pure Copium I've ever seen. You could practically mine it with a common teaspoon.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2024 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

TRUE DETECTIVE: NIGHT COUNTRY---the season finale had 3.2 million viewers and had a season average of 12.5 million viewers which made it the most-watched season of the franchise. Season 1 had an 11.9 million viewer average."

Strange coz it was the slowest of the four series and possibly the worst. It wasn't bad, just slow

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

“More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more, our audience (or the segment of the audience that has been politicized) equates the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue.
They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in THE MARVELS or STAR WARS, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’ Which is what you’re seeing now and what Bob [Iger]’s pivot is about right now."


Eh.

Morbius was Sh1t - because it was a bad movie.
Batman and Robin was Sh1t - because it was a bad movie.
Venom was ordinary at best. (Trying to stay Sony)
Let There Be Carnage was ordinary at best. (Trying to stay Sony)


There are plenty of male “empowered” movies that are bad and are called out for it.

So don’t go screaming that there is a percentage of the population that are hating on these because they want Hollywood (or whoever) to “make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes”

No.

They are bad movies.

People just want movies that are fun to watch, with great characters, great dialogue and ....most importantly....great scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

I don't see there being much merit in the pro- or anti- female empowerment idea. The Wonder Woman movies were perfectly alright, while The Flash, Shazam, Black Adam and Morbius weren't. Like Star Wars: the problem with 7-9 wasn't that they were female-centric, any more than the problem with 1-3 was their being male-centric. I can't speak for THE MARVELS and MADAME WEB specifically, as I haven't seen them and never will - last year's THE FLASH was so intolerable that it killed the superhero movie for me stone dead. But I suspect a lot of it's just down to audience fatigue: there's just too many of them: this one's scarcely off the circuits before the next one arrives. And frankly, for anyone who isn't a comicbook specialist, they're all much of an interchangeable muchness. They are also all so thoroughly dependent on ever-more prevalent CGI whizzbang - they have to top the previous one - that they might just as well be done as cartoons. Quantumania wasn't entirely without charm, but only about 0.2% actually existed in the real world.

I think we're just sated with them now. Like any genre, it has its highs and lows and I think currently it's reached a low. Maybe it would just be nice if they gave the whole superhero thing a rest for maybe five years and made something else. Rather than just rehashing their intellectual property (incidentally, an interesting new use of the word "intellectual" that I hadn't previously been aware of), make some new ones, something we haven't seen before? Make something that today's kids will be nostalgic for in thirty years time. Because otherwise they're just going to keep tanking themselves into bankruptcy: the pot of gold at the end of this rainbow (bridge) is now almost empty.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

“More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more, our audience (or the segment of the audience that has been politicized) equates the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue.
They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in THE MARVELS or STAR WARS, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’ Which is what you’re seeing now and what Bob [Iger]’s pivot is about right now."


Eh.

Morbius was Sh1t - because it was a bad movie.
Batman and Robin was Sh1t - because it was a bad movie.
Venom was ordinary at best. (Trying to stay Sony)
Let There Be Carnage was ordinary at best. (Trying to stay Sony)


There are plenty of male “empowered” movies that are bad and are called out for it.

So don’t go screaming that there is a percentage of the population that are hating on these because they want Hollywood (or whoever) to “make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes”

No.

They are bad movies.

People just want movies that are fun to watch, with great characters, great dialogue and ....most importantly....great scores.


Agreed. I remember reading that Disney’s animated version of Alice in Wonderland flopped at the box office, Walt blamed the film itself (and the characterization of Alice to a degree) for its failure. If only today’s studio heads were as logical.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

“More appealing movies are a great way to jump the political issues. But more and more, our audience (or the segment of the audience that has been politicized) equates the perceived messaging in a film as a quality issue.
They won’t say they find female empowerment distasteful in THE MARVELS or STAR WARS, but they will say they don’t like those movies because they are ‘bad.’ So ‘make better movies’ becomes code for ‘make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes or put men front and center in the narrative.’ Which is what you’re seeing now and what Bob [Iger]’s pivot is about right now."


Eh.

Morbius was Sh1t - because it was a bad movie.
Batman and Robin was Sh1t - because it was a bad movie.
Venom was ordinary at best. (Trying to stay Sony)
Let There Be Carnage was ordinary at best. (Trying to stay Sony)


There are plenty of male “empowered” movies that are bad and are called out for it.

So don’t go screaming that there is a percentage of the population that are hating on these because they want Hollywood (or whoever) to “make movies that conform to regressive gender stereotypes”

No.

They are bad movies.

People just want movies that are fun to watch, with great characters, great dialogue and ....most importantly....great scores.


You're wasting your breath. The people running these studios, producing/directing/acting in these films are mental.
They're in a cult.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I agree with HP. It isn't about male or female empowerment. It is about bad movies for men and women.
Oppenheimer and Barbie had a male lead and a female lead and rocked at the box office. Both were good movies with interesting stories and characters. Both movies had important social statements. However, I did like Oppenheimer more than Barbie.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

The failure of Madame Web has zero to do with the casting or the gender of the characters, it just a bad movie, and the entire comic book -hero genre is grossly overbaked and overproduced. This is really not rocket science, the reason for the failure is obvious, and not in the least bit political or any such rubbish.

Have you actually seen it?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

They need to get some fresh actors and behind the scenes talent who can make a decent film that engages you on a smaller tightly controlled budget.

The days of tentpole movies are over and aren't coming back. There is no mass cinema audience any more. It takes a rare something to do it now.

Disney are bleeding out due to some very poor business and creative decisions. They need to cut back on the Marvel stuff or at least try and make something fun instead of event movies.

Warners are about to lose a fortune by killing off all the characters and stories so far developed for DC and having another bloody reboot. Why don't they go down the Bond route, just accept Batman and Supes exist and just do stand alone adventures instead of trying a weak sauce version of Marvel?

We don't need an origin story every few years and let's get past the main villains and onto some of the lesser known so there is at least a sense of something new and having an edge to it.

The fact that WB can dump entire films as a tax write off reveals something pretty rotten at the heart of these multimedia corporations

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

“Thank God, it's an older guy who they feel like has some real-life experience that makes it worth it for him to be the subject of this experiment”

Talk about desperate justification. Any screenwriter worth their salt could easily make the lead character “worth it” to be given bionics. As for “real-life” experience, Steve Austin is a decorated Colonel in the USAF and an astronaut for Christ sakes. How much more real experience do you want?

The only reason The Six Billion Dollar Man hasn’t been made is because Marky Mark insists he is still right for the role (his agent Ari Emanuel holds the film rights and paid the Martin Caidin estate a fortune to renew them). At 52 Wahlberg is too old for one movie, let alone a potential franchise, and that is even before you question whether he has the acting chops to portray Austin (Lee Majors wasn’t the greatest actor but he had definite charisma, portraying the character as an affible, intelligent person who sometimes could be a bit hot headed until his military training clicked in).

The other difficulty is how you make the abilities of a bionic man interesting to a movie audience who is now very accustomed to humans with super powers. It is definitely achievable, with the key being to make things grounded so that Steve runs fast but not The Flash fast and very strong but not Superman strong.

A capable screenwriter should be able to get a decent screenplay together for his project. And by decent i am specifically NOT including Kevin Smith here - his pass at a Six Billion Dollar Man script is absolute shit and one of the worst screenplays I’ve ever read.

Personally i’d love to see this project actually get the green light. But not with Wahlberg and definitely not with Kevin Smith.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2024 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


The other difficulty is how you make the abilities of a bionic man interesting to a movie audience who is now very accustomed to humans with super powers. It is definitely achievable, with the key being to make things grounded so that Steve runs fast but not The Flash fast and very strong but not Superman strong.


You're right on point. A bionic man was special in the 70's because there wasn't really any super hero shows on television at the time. The audio/visual techniques were unique for its time too. We've been flooded with super human characters for decades now. T6MDM on the surface isn't going to be all that fantastical on its own. It would come down to character and storytelling, something Hollywood doesn't know how to do at the moment. Mark Wahlberg sure the hell isn't the guy for the job.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2024 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


The other difficulty is how you make the abilities of a bionic man interesting to a movie audience who is now very accustomed to humans with super powers. It is definitely achievable, with the key being to make things grounded so that Steve runs fast but not The Flash fast and very strong but not Superman strong.


You're right on point. A bionic man was special in the 70's because there wasn't really any super hero shows on television at the time. The audio/visual techniques were unique for its time too. We've been flooded with super human characters for decades now. T6MDM on the surface isn't going to be all that fantastical on its own. It would come down to character and storytelling, something Hollywood doesn't know how to do at the moment. Mark Wahlberg sure the hell isn't the guy for the job.


Part of what made the original series work - mostly in its first two years - was Steve's attitude about bionics. He wasn't comfortable, he had to grow into it. After that, it was all about stunt casting and Bigfoot, which I can see any movie just going directly for.

I would still take a Wahlberg movie over the Jim Carrey treatment this thing once scared me with.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2024 - 12:21 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • They're so f@cking tone death. They got fingers in their ears, "La La La La La!!! I hear nothing!".

    This is what you get for "voting with your dollars". Money can only say "yes" or "no", it can never say "why". Any attempt to communicate such "nuance" with studios through social media insofar have resulted, at most, in a game-accurate design of Sonic (despite the movie being a massive Roger Rabbit ripoff). Sturgeon's Law isn't just a fact of life, it's a religion.

  • Disney are bleeding out due to some very poor business and creative decisions. They need to cut back on the Marvel stuff or at least try and make something fun instead of event movies.

    That won't be happening anytime soon, considering the $72B Fox sized hole Iger dug for Disneyfilm before bailing, like a mid-century Vegas grave. And now that the prodigal suit hath returneth, his main "pivot" is to slow down, nothing about plans to temper budgets or sate the undying coffers of D+. The next Star Wars movie may potentially enter Solo-land due to its preproduction woes and incessant delays.

    Does anyone believe Avatar 3: The Avatarening will keep up Cameron's billion-lucky streak, especially released so soon after Avatar 2: More Avatar? Maybe he should get on socials and campaign about needing $100B charities just to stay afloat for each outing.

  • The fact that WB can dump entire films as a tax write off reveals something pretty rotten at the heart of these multimedia corporations

    If this works out for Zaslav/AT&T in the meantime, I don't doubt this will be the main operating procedure for studios from here on out. Gotta satisfy that short term somehow.

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     Posted:   Feb 23, 2024 - 5:20 AM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    Cameron’s movie’s nearly always make big bucks but I have to wonder if he’s to late to the game with his multiple Avatar films. I have no idea if he can keep it going but I wouldn’t be surprised if the sequels make less and less money. And that’s not something he can afford considering the cost of each film.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2024 - 5:40 AM   
     By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

    Cameron’s movie’s nearly always make big bucks but I have to wonder if he’s to late to the game with his multiple Avatar films. I have no idea if he can keep it going but I wouldn’t be surprised if the sequels make less and less money. And that’s not something he can afford considering the cost of each film.

    I’m inclined to agree with you. In a bizarre way, I think the huge delay between the first movie and Way of Water actually helped the success of the latter. Whilst everyone and their mom said the length of theme that had passed was detrimental I actually think there was a curiosity value which stoked the box office of the sequel, which obviously a third movie won’t benefit from.

    I think both Avatar movies are exceptional filmmaking but I’d really not be too upset if there wasn’t a third and I’d be even happier if Cameron found another project to get stuck into.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2024 - 6:35 AM   
     By:   Ado   (Member)

    yes, it is pretty said for a film director of his talents to fall into a 25 year rut, Cameron

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 23, 2024 - 12:22 PM   
     By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

    The failure of Madame Web has zero to do with the casting or the gender of the characters, it just a bad movie, and the entire comic book -hero genre is grossly overbaked and overproduced. This is really not rocket science, the reason for the failure is obvious, and not in the least bit political or any such rubbish.

    Have you actually seen it?


    I’ll take that as a “no” then @Ado.

    So, how do you know it’s a “bad movie”?

     
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