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 Posted:   Dec 3, 2023 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I grabbed the digital download on Amazon (I had a $4 digital goods credit).

An alternate title could definitely be The Wrath of Khan - 1st Draft, but it is a fun score. I've listened to it a few times already and very much enjoyed it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2023 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   Bus-Punk   (Member)

Ordered November 14th, I'm based in the UK. Just checked the tracking and as of the 1st December had only just departed the LA CA network. Streuth it's taking some time.

Couldn't wait and purchased the 24/96 download from Qobuz. Outstanding release!! My favourite of the year. I love it's exuberance and rough around the edges performance (ditto the Conan scores!) which are just brimming with excitement. I'd rather that than a note perfect but dull performance. Amazing mastering (thank you Chris Malone and Douglass Fake, you're a miracle workers!) sounds like it was recorded yesterday.

Just hope the CD arrives soon as I'm jonesing to read the sleeve notes! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2023 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

It's inept. Talent squandered before and behind the camera.

Harsh. It's great fun. Worth it for George Peppard and Robert Vaughan.


Look, I'm no snob. I even enjoyed Starcrash for what it was, and it's a lot more terrible than this. Though fun to hear how Barry's score makes it seem better.

But I've watched this twice in recent years (after having avoided it my whole life). And given the actual talent involved, I'm astonished at how poorly it goes. Some of the design is cool, some is embarrasing - and I don't mean primarily for anatomical reasons, but because the design of the main ship makes no damn sense. The space battles are among the worst ever filmed, with no relation between shots. The episodic sequences are both rushed and tedious, and they don't connect. Saxon's villain could be motivated, and his body replacements could be interesting, but he isn't and they aren't. It's poorly staged, badly lit, atrociously edited. Feels both too busy and thin as rice paper.

Even one of the more interesting and decently written scenes - Robert Vaughn's introduction as the most Sartre-an assassin in all cinema - is staged hideously badly, as if he is sitting in some cut-rate dark-ride diorama shooting the world's biggest derringer. And Richard Thomas seems almost wholly off - and he's an actor I've always admired for what he does well. His arguments with Nell are by far his best work in the film. Probably because he wasn't having to really interact with anyone else on screen.

For me, it's not cheesy fun or funny, it's just sad.

But I'm glad of the score, however infuriated I get with the needless rip-offs of Alexander Nevsky and STTMP. I'm delighted for this new edition (digitally especially!).

And I'm glad the movie is available for those who love it for nostalgia or cheese. Me, I'd rather watch Starcrash again, and that ain't never gonna happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2023 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)



But I'm glad of the score, however infuriated I get with the needless rip-offs of Alexander Nevsky and STTMP. I'm delighted for this new edition (digitally especially!).




You should watch the 2011 Shout! Factory behind the scenes feature about the production, called "Space Opera on a Shoestring"

It's free on Shout Factory TV's streaming (right from their website).

https://shout-tv.com/backlot/backlot-battle-beyond-the-stars-post-production/566f4dc269702d080b564c00

26 minutes in, they start talking about the score.

Horner and Alexander Nevsky are explicitly mentioned in it, because one of the film's editors (RJ Kizer) takes a direct shot at the film score community, for dumping on Horner for "ripping off Prokofiev" when in fact it was a shared joke they threw in there on purpose.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2023 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

He should apologize for it. How are we to know? Horner has done classical composer works' lifts in damn near every score he's ever done, multiples times in some scores. They can't all be a shared joke. It was reasonable of us to assume he was doing what he's done a bazillion times before.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2023 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

He should apologize for it. How are we to know? Horner has done classical composer works' lifts in damn near every score he's ever done, multiples times in some scores. They can't all be a shared joke. It was reasonable of us to assume he was doing what he's done a bazillion times before.

I think you're missing the point - that might've been a joke, but it doesn't mean that all those other lifts were not done with the filmmakers (editors, producers, directors, whomever) being on board with them.

It's the fans of places like these where assumptions - negative assumptions mostly, catch on and thrive.

Does the community ever apologize for that?

I think we all know the answer.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2023 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I'm not necessarily infuriated with Horner. I completely get that it's often what the producers/directors require.

But I can still get infuriated with it, whoever is to blame. In a score that is mostly original if derivative*, it would also be ok to make it all that way. Such direct quotes (Nevsky) without useful context (after all, it's no Battle on the Ice) is a pretty lame joke. And every time I hear the Spock Walk bit I just want to go back and listen to Spock Walk. Can't be the goal of the composer to make me want to listen to another instead.


*Of course it's derivative, it should be, and that's what I love about it! I'm glad it's that way.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2023 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

. And every time I hear the Spock Walk bit I just want to go back and listen to Spock Walk. Can't be the goal of the composer to make me want to listen to another instead.

Well, if you’re gonna be like that, perhaps you should listen to Leith Stevens’ Destination Moon instead.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

John, so you know, I took you up on that, just listened to Destination Mood this morning!

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

John, so you know, I took you up on that, just listened to Destination Mood this morning!

Damn. Is this the most overlooked classic score ever?

Also, Jamie didn't lift from Spock Walk (I don't think). He lifted from Klingon Battle.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

Well The Destruction of Hammerhead..Rears It’s Fugly Head Again in Star Trek 2. And other Horner Scores! Oh The Pain. But Spock saves The Enterprise in Star Trek 2 Rears it Fugly Head in Cocoon during the Chase…and Horner Being a Bold Beeooootch It is Note for Note! And one notes for notes appears ..Three Different Times! Oh the pain!

Star Trek 2 at 2:21

https://youtu.be/xnZ4AVHTH-Q?si=kkuRIYAEZeNMubM2

Cocoon at 2:05

https://youtu.be/ah615B9LJrE?si=Nfzi0Rqsn6QshJVc


https://youtu.be/HeEoYkq_J0U?si=u-ajzIFkgeb5XLiG




https://youtu.be/YAIIdW62Cjk?si=IiCexdDPe0o_NicK




https://youtu.be/DfzqxCshIaY?si=pmIQozIbI8lN2O2Q

https://youtu.be/tO1IzC99FxQ?si=rjplFku0O8kMnkI2


 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 10:08 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Fun score, Horner experimented and brought his experiences to future scores.

Only Debbie Downers can find fault with that.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

John, so you know, I took you up on that, just listened to Destination Mood this morning!


Haha. Thanks! Good for you big grin What did ya think?

I find it a really amazing score. It lays the ground work for – not kidding – science fiction scores in general. Every SF-score owes directly or indirectly to Stevens' music. Not only Goldsmith's SMP, but also Herrmann's Day the earth stood still and Fahrenheit 451, Williams Star Wars, especially the prequels and especially Phantom Menace, Nyman's Gattaca...

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

So we went from celebrating the release, loooong overdue to complaining about his borrowings again?
Pointing out the obvious isn't much of a revelation in 2023.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

So we went from celebrating the release, loooong overdue to complaining about his borrowings again?

You don't get the one without the other!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2023 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I can go on for paragraphs on the borrowings of Herrmann, Williams and Goldsmith. And how John Barry's later Bond scores were some of the laziest and repetitive writing from a legend I have ever encountered. The Living Daylights in particular is 4 themes stuck on repeat with a synth backing track.

But we all like what we like and none of it infuriates me. I always had fun picking out Horner's quotes and he actually got me interest in Russian classic music in the process, so win-win. This is a great fun early score that defined his style and voice early on. The only people who should be infuriated are the estates of the composers he borrowed from that never received compensation. Everyone else needs to take some edibles and relax. It's just music.

And, by the way, I love The Living Daylights. It works like crazy in the film.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2023 - 12:23 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

So we went from celebrating the release, loooong overdue to complaining about his borrowings again?

Read it as you like. My interpretation is that we’re celebrating an energetic and fun score that hits the right marks from a young and obviously talented and ambitious film composer. And in the fringe of that celebrating an ingenious and inspirational older score from a more seasoned composer that sadly and is unjustifiable overlooked.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2023 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Just got mine from Chris' Soundtrack Corner. Best price for me, and service excellent as ever. Arrived today. Christmas present, so can't review.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2023 - 2:48 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

What we like and what we can argue is great film scoring are two different things.

I love listening to STAR CRASH and GAME OF DEATH, but would I ever argue that either of them is a great film score?

Not in a million years!

BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS belongs to a fairly large family of film scores that are not great film scores next to the numerous true classics of film scoring, but for various reasons they have become loved by film score fans.

I wouldn't argue it's a great film score, and, yes, of course it rips Goldsmith off very liberally.

But, do you know what? I love listening to it, so who cares?

That's all that really counts, isn't it? That you either love listening to it or you don't?

I don't know whether my love for it is nostalgia, or whether it's because I'm fascinated by Horner's early, developmental period.

Maybe both.

But, I say again, for all the navel gazing we could do about it, we either love it or we don't.

And sometimes we don't love things that we know are canonically great. Go figure.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2023 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   Sartoris   (Member)

100% agree with you on this!! You put the exact words on my thaughts. Feel less alone here now.....
That B-stuff is often so much enjoyable than the big A-list stuff we know by heart.

 
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