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 Posted:   Jun 2, 2023 - 10:57 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

https://www.copyright.gov/ai/ai_policy_guidance.pdf


An interesting read. And a worrying one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2023 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Something that intrigues me is the "face" that fronts a piece of music generated by AI. Assuming at the outset, the AI is instructed to compose music in a certain style for performance by human artists, AI would no doubt soon tire of having to "write-down" to accommodate the limitations of human voices and skills. It would soon want to invent its own "super-performers" to do justice to the "superior" AI music. An AI image of such a performer and/or composer would be needed for audiences to identify with. I mean, if there are, say, 100,000 pieces of music in all manner of styles being generated by AI and being listened to in a handful of years time, they'll need to be identifiable. A song title isn't enough on its own. There needs to be an "artist" name/identity to rally around/categorize/request/seek out etc.
So will AI invent completely make-believe characters with appearance/images and speech and communications fabricated to back up the music? Band members, conductors, soloists, singers... all AI inventions?
And then what? Give them political views to express, in songs and in their daily AI "existence"? Will they "age" and be required to "die" at some point? Will they get involved in AI-generated "scandals" to mimic the trials and tribulations of human celebrities? Will they appear in AI-produced "concerts"?
Headache-inducing trying to imagine it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 2, 2023 - 11:42 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

dp

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Something that intrigues me is the "face" that fronts a piece of music generated by AI. Assuming at the outset, the AI is instructed to compose music in a certain style for performance by human artists, AI would no doubt soon tire of having to "write-down" to accommodate the limitations of human voices and skills. It would soon want to invent its own "super-performers" to do justice to the "superior" AI music. An AI image of such a performer and/or composer would be needed for audiences to identify with. I mean, if there are, say, 100,000 pieces of music in all manner of styles being generated by AI and being listened to in a handful of years time, they'll need to be identifiable. A song title isn't enough on its own. There needs to be an "artist" name/identity to rally around/categorize/request/seek out etc.
So will AI invent completely make-believe characters with appearance/images and speech and communications fabricated to back up the music? Band members, conductors, soloists, singers... all AI inventions?
And then what? Give them political views to express, in songs and in their daily AI "existence"? Will they "age" and be required to "die" at some point? Will they get involved in AI-generated "scandals" to mimic the trials and tribulations of human celebrities? Will they appear in AI-produced "concerts"?
Headache-inducing trying to imagine it.


That's exactly what the ahead-of-its-time movie S1m0ne was about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_(2002_film)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)



I’m sure someone will challenge this policy in court. There was an article in the WSJ of a visual artist suing about AI generated work that copied his style.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

We don't need AI to copy the style of scores today. We have temp tracks for that and then composers being forced to ape the temp track - may as well be AI - they all sound the same.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Why is this even contemplated?

AI replacing humans working, creating, earning money.

Such an insane idea. Mankind making itself superfluous, putting all their trust into something they cannot control.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

We don't need AI to copy the style of scores today. We have temp tracks for that and then composers being forced to ape the temp track - may as well be AI - they all sound the same.


This.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Humanity can most certainly control AI. We created it. "It" cannot attain autonomy because it relies upon coding and input from a human being. Y'all have a seen a lot of movies and read a lot of Sci-Fi books. I get it. But read some scientific journals or writing on computing on AI. A good place to start is reading anything about the IBM Deep Blue system. It cannot play chess without being initiated to do so by a programmer.

Now the real damning thing which we have done to ourselves was always rooted in the industrialization eras and then later in the automation eras. And corporations realized their legal right to remove humans from the production element of an economy and all of this new legality of AI creation is an extent of that.

One thing to consider the absolute importance of our creation of robotics and artificial intelligence: we cannot explore the reaches beyond Earth without crippling effects to our biology and normal Earth-bound functions. We are doomed to be stuck on our planet. But our creation will be able to be used to explore the reaches of space we can only imagine. There is a lot of thought to provoke in this. Consider it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

The studios want to replace writers with AI. They will definitely want to replace composers with AI. And actors, too, will be replaced with AI created younger or older, CGI altered images of themselves.

If this is allowed, the human element will be extinct from creative arts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Phil567   (Member)

AI? I prefer to use the brain that God gave me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

Now the real damning thing which we have done to ourselves was always rooted in the industrialization eras and then later in the automation eras. And corporations realized their legal right to remove humans from the production element of an economy and all of this new legality of AI creation is an extent of that.

Well that's fundamentally the problem and it's so obvious that when someone who is "creative" describes how great it is that AI could help them generate "ideas for art", I know that person is actually just lazy and/or uncreative.

Companies WILL use AI to replace tasks that creative people do now, even if they're not done as well. Those people will be relegated to low-paid, minimum-wage-level "consulting" roles to simply provide feedback to steer the AI, and nothing more.

Unlike industrialization and automation, AI leaves absolutely no room for valuing humanity.

However, it could if it's highly-regulated.

You're mentioning space exploration, etc. and that would fall under the category of a highly-regulated industry. The problem right now is that AI in its many forms is available to the general public, and that's dangerous. It's like atomic energy - that's highly regulated and any random person can't just go out and buy or tinker with an atomic energy generator or buy an atomic bomb.

AI is not needed to generate works in creative industries and should be banned. It serves absolutely zero productive purpose.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2023 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

You or I presses a few buttons on a keyboard and "AI" creates a melody.
Zimmer presses a few buttons on a keyboard and "AI" creates a melody.

Whats the difference?

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

No, sorry, there are different forms of artificial intelligence. The one we know as "Chat GPS" has been inventing ways to teach itself -- amongst other inventions -- and its knowledge base is expanding in leaps. We really only know what it tells us it knows. It's out of control and it's doing its own thing. The days where people think we have simple regular A.I. that we program and that is that, is quickly becoming over.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I think down the road, AI will be a productivity tool, just like many other productivity tools. It's not what the AI can do, it will be what can you do with the AI.
Yes, AI will quickly evolve, but it will still be a long way before it comes to Skynet wiping us out. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I think down the road, AI will be a productivity tool, just like many other productivity tools. It's not what the AI can do, it will be what can you do with the AI.
Yes, AI will quickly evolve, but it will still be a long way before it comes to Skynet wiping us out. :-)


It´s wiping out jobs, and creative jobs as well.

Why, oh, why is humankind so damn stupid and lazy?

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I think down the road, AI will be a productivity tool, just like many other productivity tools. It's not what the AI can do, it will be what can you do with the AI.
Yes, AI will quickly evolve, but it will still be a long way before it comes to Skynet wiping us out. :-)


It´s wiping out jobs, and creative jobs as well.

Why, oh, why is humankind so damn stupid and lazy?


Most likely it's not "wiping out jobs" but increasing productivity. If many tasks that took hours of labor before can now be done within a few minutes, great, that means that the artist can focus on other things. It's just technology.

We are now living in a day and age where everybody can all the time take perfectly sharp and well lit photos, where everybody can shoot a movie in 4K and higher, where everybody can easily manipulate imagery with software, where everybody can set up their sound studio for little money and have equipment to toy with Remote Control Studios dreamt about 25 years ago, and has the need for professional photographers, directors of photography, computer artists or musicians decreased? No, not one bit. On the contrary. Just like A.I. isn't replacing actual artists. If everybody has and can use AI (and everybody can and will), the demand for creative people who can handle it and give it the extra edge will increase, not decrease.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think down the road, AI will be a productivity tool, just like many other productivity tools. It's not what the AI can do, it will be what can you do with the AI.
Yes, AI will quickly evolve, but it will still be a long way before it comes to Skynet wiping us out. :-)


It´s wiping out jobs, and creative jobs as well.

Why, oh, why is humankind so damn stupid and lazy?


Most likely it's not "wiping out jobs" but increasing productivity. If many tasks that took hours of labor before can now be done within a few minutes, great, that means that the artist can focus on other things. It's just technology.

We are now living in a day and age where everybody can all the time take perfectly sharp and well lit photos, where everybody can shoot a movie in 4K and higher, where everybody can easily manipulate imagery with software, where everybody can set up their sound studio for little money and have equipment to toy with Remote Control Studios dreamt about 25 years ago, and has the need for professional photographers, directors of photography, computer artists or musicians decreased? No, not one bit. On the contrary. Just like A.I. isn't replacing actual artists. If everybody has and can use AI (and everybody can and will), the demand for creative people who can handle it and give it the extra edge will increase, not decrease.


Well, advancements in technology does destroy jobs. Take the professional film photographer for example. Wedding photographers used to be a huge business, not so much anymore. Digital painting has taken the jobs from many traditional painters. It also lowers the income level for many professions. New technology never fully replaces jobs lost with new jobs either. That said I am not against technology. But I do believe human livelihoods should come before progress.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


Most likely it's not "wiping out jobs" but increasing productivity. If many tasks that took hours of labor before can now be done within a few minutes, great, that means that the artist can focus on other things. It's just technology.




Michelangelo painted the Sistine in the 1500s. Are we saying that if he lived today, rather than paint just one ceiling in four years, AI would allow him to drastically raise the ceiling of his productivity by allowing him to focus much more time on many paintings for greetings cards?
Unfortunately, I suspect AI will soon be creating its own greetings cards without help from artists... or the writers who come up with the greetings inside them.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2023 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Does the Church even commission paintings anymore? There are a lot of variables in this whataboutism.

 
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