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 Posted:   May 25, 2023 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

There are some folks out there that love the chase. Some men, for example, love to pursue a particular woman, but when they finally achieve their goal, they get bored and move on (often to the woman's dismay).

I wonder how many of us have these "Holy Grails" for years, finally are able to buy and only listen to it once or twice and go back to posting about their next grail while the last one collects dust?

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2023 - 12:19 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm afraid I can't relate to either scenario. I don't like the 'chase' for women, at least not anymore (if you'd asked me in the mid 2000s, it would have been a different matter).

Also, I don't seem to have the collector mentality that once a 'holy grail' is released, I'll jump immediately ahead to the next. When SCARFACE was released recently, that was big holy grail for me. Even if I had had decent score bootlegs previously. I've listened to it several times already, but I aim to listen to it more once I've whittled it down to a more fluid listening experience. I have a few more 'holy grails' out there (here's looking at you, STORY OF A WOMAN!), but I don't spend my time obsessing about them. If they get released in my lifetime, great. If not, I already have a huge collection to listen to and familiarize myself with. Plus, new great stuff is released almost every day.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2023 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


I wonder how many of us have these "Holy Grails" for years, finally are able to buy and only listen to it once or twice and go back to posting about their next grail while the last one collects dust?


I don't have many "grails" to chase anymore, since I got mine. But if I do get a new "grail" (or just a new terrific recording, like ON DANGEROUS GROUND/THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, I usually listen to it indeed once or twice, and then turn to other things. It is rare that I listen to the very same album within a short time span. Yesterday, for example, I listened to THE LION KING, the Disney Legacy Album. I was probably the second time I listened to that album (the first being when I bought it in 2014). Note: I like the score and songs, and the Legacy Album is so much better than the previous soundtrack CD and has a much, much better flow, yet I have listened to it twice in 9 years. (Obviously, I listen to some albums more than to others.) I just have often longer time spans until I return to the same album again.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2023 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I wonder how many of us have these "Holy Grails" for years, finally are able to buy and only listen to it once or twice and go back to posting about their next grail while the last one collects dust?

Yes, I suppose you could call that the human condition; we want what we don't have, & once we get it we want something else that we don't have. There's some much wanted soundtrack CDs that I regularly listen to & enjoy, & others that I've hardly listened to at all (Williams, Dracula & The Towering Inferno come to mind).

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2023 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well, I'm still listening (with great pleasure) to Intrada's new recording of Black Patch... but in terms of pursuing *new* releases, I have indeed moved on to pushing for other great Goldsmith scores to be released. smile

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2023 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

Some grails are depressing to listen to so while it's good to have them they get less play than a grail should because you have to be in the right mood for them.

"The Edge" is one of those. Great music, but a bit depressing, especially the ending.

"The Fugitive" is similar. A very dreary atmosphere, but the action cues do give it some energy.

"Twister" is much less depressing and gets a decent amount of play - but it too can be a bit heavy at times, though to a much lesser extent. Plus it's hard to listen to on a sunny day.

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2023 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

The Fugitive...depressing?

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2023 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

The Fugitive...depressing?

Well, I think I described: "A very dreary atmosphere, but the action cues do give it some energy."

So, here's "dreary atmosphere" (can't find the Main Title online, but close enough):


And here's "action cues do give it some energy" (can't find Gerard Computes or the Helicopter Chase online, but close enough):

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

What a strange contention. Presumably, if something is a 'holy grail' to you, you like it so much that you won't find it depressing to experience. It rather implies unbridled enthusiasm. Second, I'm not sure how THE FUGITIVE, THE EDGE or TWISTER qualify as 'holy grails', since they all had score releases upon the films' release, and even have subsequent expanded editions.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

What a strange contention. Presumably, if something is a 'holy grail' to you, you like it so much that you won't find it depressing to experience. It rather implies unbridled enthusiasm. Second, I'm not sure how THE FUGITIVE, THE EDGE or TWISTER qualify as 'holy grails', since they all had score releases upon the films' release, and even have subsequent expanded editions.

I think the only strange thing here is that you trolled around the other Gladiator thread arguing about the "wailing woman" for approximately 13 years and now you're trolling around here arguing about whether a score counts as a holy grail or not and bringing more of your armchair psychoanalytical theories about how you personally think someone should emotionally feel about listening to film music.

I've got news for you kid, the three aforementioned scores were released incomplete with some of their best songs missing, and they became so rare they'd sell for over $100 if you could find them at all.

You see the thing is, the vast majority of what film score fans call "holy grails" already had some version of a release.

I'm pretty sure film score fans considered "The Shadow" a holy grail even though it had a meager album release, and the same goes for "The Temple Of Doom" even though it had a meager Japanese release. Still today people on these boards, myself included, would consider an improved release of the original 3 Star Wars soundtracks a holy grail, even though the music has all been pretty much released.

It's clear that you don't get this thread, you said so as much in your original post. I mean, it's a pretty weird thread with a pretty weird title, so I wouldn't blame you if you felt like maybe this thread wasn't for you. As for me, I found the general question interesting enough to stretch my imagination and give a version of an answer that original poster or anyone might find interesting.

Do you have any productive contributions to make Thor?

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

How about you take it down a notch or two?

Let me repeat what I said: The term 'holy grail' implies a couple of things. Firstly, that it's a score that means a lot to the person craving it. It's connected with lust, desire, joy. It's not something you'll find depressing. Why would you crave something depressing? Secondly, it means that it's hard to get or find. Either completely or partly unreleased in a commercial format. None of the scores you mentioned would be considered 'holy grails'. They got soundtrack releases when the films came out, and they have since received new and expanded releases that would satisfy those who possibly had the remaining unreleased music from those films as some 'holy grail'.

So I don't think it's particularly controversial to label your comments here 'strange'.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I treat my Holy Grail CDs the way I treat my wimmin.
When I finally get my hands on them, I love them to death.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Ner-ner,ner-ner,woow,woow!
This is the impending arguement police.
You, yes you!
Move away from that keyboard, now. Keep your hands were I can see them.

 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

All the woman I've ever pursued put a restraining order order on me. Thankfully soundtracks can't do the same.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

How about you take it down a notch or two?

Let me repeat what I said: The term 'holy grail' implies a couple of things. Firstly, that it's a score that means a lot to the person craving it. It's connected with lust, desire, joy. It's not something you'll find depressing. Why would you crave something depressing? Secondly, it means that it's hard to get or find. Either completely or partly unreleased in a commercial format. None of the scores you mentioned would be considered 'holy grails'. They got soundtrack releases when the films came out, and they have since received new and expanded releases that would satisfy those who possibly had the remaining unreleased music from those films as some 'holy grail'.

So I don't think it's particularly controversial to label your comments here 'strange'.


Given that your description covers the vast majority of soundtrack releases, I guess then you'd say LaLaLand Records, Intrada, Varese and the others are in the business of selling soundtrack releases that would only "satisfy those who possibly had the remaining unreleased music from those films as some 'holy grail'".

I guess you'd also find everyone who posted in this thread to be strange too:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=147888

Or this one:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&threadID=82443

But I guess you don't find this thread's premise inherently strange?

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Grack21   (Member)

Well The Fugitive and Return to Oz haven't left my playlist since release, and I don't think Willow will ever either.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

All the woman I've ever pursued put a retraining order on me. Thankfully soundtracks can't do the same.





What kind of retraining were they ordering you to do?

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   WillemAfo   (Member)

Well The Fugitive and Return to Oz haven't left my playlist since release, and I don't think Willow will ever either.

"The Fugitive" is definitely still there for me, I'm always up for all of those Gerard-on-the-hunt cues like "Gerard Computes", "The Montage", "Memorial Hospital" etc. that weren't on the original album release but are the core of what I think makes the music so good. Same with all the stuff where Kimble is doing his investigations "Computer Search", "Kimble Calls Gerard", etc. I don't know why all that stuff was missing initially, they're the best parts of the score!

 
 Posted:   May 29, 2023 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

All the woman I've ever pursued put a retraining order on me. Thankfully soundtracks can't do the same.

What kind of retraining were they ordering you to do?


retraining, restraining, whats the diff?

 
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