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Don't put words in my mouth.
I didn't. I said your knee-jerk post, the very first reply in the thread, basically ignored our podcast entirely (because there's no way you could have listened to it that quickly, and no doubt you still haven't bothered to listen to it). And I said that your post was dismissive and *suggested* (implication, not actual text) that there was little worth to our conversation, because you made it quite clear you felt there was no worth whatsoever to the Director's Edition of TMP, no justification for it even having been attempted, nothing rushed or unfinished about the original film. Not a single DE change was good or worth even attempting, right? And you needed to let everyone know that right away, on a post about a podcast with Mike Matessino.
I never criticized the podcast or this thread.
The criticism was strongly implied/suggested by the content of your post as I already explained, not directly stated.
I criticized the changes made to the film which is the subject of the podcast and challenged the narrative regarding the changes.
Did you bother to listen to the narrative IN the podcast that was the subject of the thread? No, I don't believe you did. In fact many of the new tweaks to the '22 edition of the film were fixing/improving things which Mike/the team thought were flawed about the '01 edition! That is, Mike probably *aligns* with you on multiple criticisms you had about that (like the sound, no doubt) and part of what we discuss is things he was never satisfied with on the original Director's Edition (which was hampered by certain constraints of its own at the time it was made). But you wouldn't know that if you didn't bother to listen and just took the thread as another opportunity to rag on the very notion of Robert Wise wanting to finish a film which was so rushed into theaters he had to transport cans of it himself.
How dare I voice an opinion and challenge the narrative put fourth by those who altered the film.
Well, first of all (as has already been pointed out): unlike say the original Star Wars trilogy, the original theatrical cut (warts and all) is READILY AVAILABLE for you in a lovely 4K edition! Nobody is taking the original film away from you and irrevocably altering it! There were plenty of other TMP DE threads, not about a podcast conversation, to voice your objections in (and you certainly have). What I took issue with was your apparent need to be the FIRST reply in a new thread about a podcast... and immediately demonstrate you didn't listen to or give a damn about said podcast. You basically just wanted to attack it for even existing, because you felt the DE itself shouldn't exist. But hey, the damage is done so congrats! I'm ready to move on now. Hey, how about getting that unreleased Secret of NIMH music? That's something we can agree on, at least.
Yavar
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By the way, this episode seems to cut off early... I downloaded it and noted that it ran around 4 hours/6 minutes, however at that elapsed time it stops in mid-sentence by Mike...
Yeah, sorry, Tom. It's the end of a sentence, but not the thought, which remains in the show. This 2001 digression was cited as the one that pulled some of us out of the talk, so I took it out and tacked it onto the end as an extra. It hadn't occurred to me that the fact that it is an extra is 100% unclear. Just because we know that we always end with a Closing Cue doesn't meant that anyone else knows that, or should.
Because someone else made that same, helpful comment earlier this week, I re-uploaded the show with little editor tape-beeps on each end of the anecdote as an aural cue that it's an edited bit. Later downloaders probably got that.
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By the way, this episode seems to cut off early... I downloaded it and noted that it ran around 4 hours/6 minutes, however at that elapsed time it stops in mid-sentence by Mike...
Yeah, sorry, Tom. It's the end of a sentence, but not the thought, which remains in the show. This 2001 digression was cited as the one that pulled some of us out of the talk, so I took it out and tacked it onto the end as an extra. It hadn't occurred to me that the fact that it is an extra is 100% unclear. Just because we know that we always end with a Closing Cue doesn't meant that anyone else knows that, or should.
Because someone else made that same, helpful comment earlier this week, I re-uploaded the show with little editor tape-beeps on each end of the anecdote as an aural cue that it's an edited bit. Later downloaders probably got that.
Funny enough, I say next to Neil and Mike at that same screening of 2001 at The Egyptian, the screening with the freak-out and fight! It was certainly an event to be remembered, as I also met Michael Giacchino in the concession line.
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What's the time code where the major discussion of the film starts? I appreciate all of the nostalgia about old video stores and stuff, but I really just wanna get to TMP.
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Just want to say that I loved this episode. Four hours totally flew by, I was gutted it was over!
Fascinating insights as always from Mike. Very fortunate to get extra content like this. Thanks to all involved.
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What's the time code where the major discussion of the film starts? I appreciate all of the nostalgia about old video stores and stuff, but I really just wanna get to TMP.
About 1:17:57
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Just want to say that I loved this episode. Four hours totally flew by, I was gutted it was over!
Fascinating insights as always from Mike. Very fortunate to get extra content like this. Thanks to all involved.
Thank you, BigJW! Very glad to hear that.
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What's the time code where the major discussion of the film starts? I appreciate all of the nostalgia about old video stores and stuff, but I really just wanna get to TMP.
About 1:17:57
Wow. That actually made me laugh. That's... Not insignificant.
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I hear plenty of TMP discussion between the 20 minute mark or so and David’s timestamp. I guess David’s just referring to what he considers the deep dive. But if you skip to that timestamp you’re honestly missing a lot of TMP discussion.
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Hey I'm actually tuning in, gimme a break.
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You guys honestly did a great job. Interesting how I actually look forward to these deep dive discussions with Mike M. as much as I do to the release of the film / soundtrack itself.
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I hear plenty of TMP discussion between the 20 minute mark or so and David’s timestamp. I guess David’s just referring to what he considers the deep dive. But if you skip to that timestamp you’re honestly missing a lot of TMP discussion.
It seemed like what I consider the deep dive was what his request for the major discussion of the film meant. It's definitely discussed throughout, but we do meander in and out of it in other spots.
I second that while it's a time commitment, the whole thing is interesting and great discussion. You can always pause listening if need be (like watching a home video!)
Yes, I agree with you two too, even though it's uncomfortably self-congratulatory sounding to say. Mike's an interesting person, who also happens to be well-spoken. The preceding hour, which certainly goes into Trek here and there, especially thematically, was fascinating to me as someone who lived through some of the expansions home video was making on how we enjoy movies, and which ones we give our time to, hearing from Mike, who was on the other side of some of my favorites of those projects.
How long were the actual discussion sessions? Is this basically in real-time?
No, not at all. I cut the talk down substantially, losing maybe 30%. We know that we go long, so we don't want to waste anyone's time, which is not to say that Mike is ever less than engaging, but you have those moments of unwieldy transitions, corrected flubbed questions, show management (host-to-host "Oh wait, didn't you want to ask about this?"), personal chit-chat and in our case, let's be honest, bathroom breaks. We're definitely not a turn the mic on, record the room and post it sort of show.
And I moved some things around. In any conversation you'll have the "Oh, I forgot to mention earlier" moments, or little asides whose context was an hour ago and so on. As you noted, as listeners, we can pause and come back later, in which case the context is no longer an hour ago, but maybe a week ago, so I tend to prefer offering a more followable talk to canonizing a conversation. If I can maintain topical flow while preserving conversational flow, it's usually worthwhile. That you asked this at all means I probably didn't blow it, so thank you for asking! That was an encouraging question.
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You guys honestly did a great job. Interesting how I actually look forward to these deep dive discussions with Mike M. as much as I do to the release of the film / soundtrack itself.
Thanks, John. I do too, by the way. The podcasts I probably most look forward to now are the generally reliable Legacy of John Williams talks with Mike, when any Williams re-release is on the way, and Brian McVickar's once a year check-ins with Neil S. Bulk. They're reliably friendly and fascinating to me.
(Edit: I should add the podcast name "A Score to Settle," which is Brian's show!)
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And I moved some things around. In any conversation you'll have the "Oh, I forgot to mention earlier" moments, or little asides whose context was an hour ago and so on. As you noted, as listeners, we can pause and come back later, in which case the context is no longer an hour ago, but maybe a week ago, so I tend to prefer offering a more followable talk to canonizing a conversation. If I can maintain topical flow while preserving conversational flow, it's usually worthwhile. That you asked this at all means I probably didn't blow it, so thank you for asking! That was an encouraging question.
Absolutely! I know intellectually that it had to be edited but it was striking to me how seamlessly it flowed for 4 solid hours and felt like an uninterrupted conversation, even with the ducking in/out of music snippets. It's hard to keep track of recordings that long so kudos for making it flow so well.
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