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 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   deepscan   (Member)

Yesterday the Home Theater United podcast had an interview with George Feltenstein of the Warner Archive Collection, and I had asked him a question on the possibility of a Criterion Collection edition of SUPERMAN, which I have been hoping for the past 6 years.

My question was partially answered, and although the title was not actually mentioned on the podcast, his reply did imply that many surprises with WB from Criterion are on the horizon in terms of “contemporary” films, so it is possible SUPERMAN could be one of those titles, and that it may very well be coming soon, seeing that next year will be the film’s 45th Anniversary, and if such a release were to happen an isolated score track could well be included as it was with previous Blu ray releases.

But in any event, this may be the closest we have come to finally making a Criterion Collection of SUPERMAN a reality. We will see.

Mike Matessino, are you listening? Hopefully you’ll be involved in the project, and if it is indeed in the works and you are involved, them mum may be the word until it is officially announced.

So cross your fingers and look up to the skies!

The podcast can be accessed at:
https://www.hometheaterunited.com/e/episode-39-what-s-cooking-at-warner-archive-collection-with-mr-george-feltenstein/

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   digitalfreaknyc   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   deepscan   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.


Yes indeed. Criterion I hear did a great job on CITIZEN KANE!

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.

First I've heard anything like that. Is it *really* inaccurate or just someone wanting the film to have a different look?

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.

First I've heard anything like that. Is it *really* inaccurate or just someone wanting the film to have a different look?


As I undertstand it, reference materials were provided to Warners, but they chose their own approach which doesn't reflect those references. For some of those "in the know," the 4K version was a bit of a missed opportunity to do the film proper justice.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2022 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Not sure how a 45-year-old film can be considered contemporary.
They should rather focus on titles that NEVER had an HD release...

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   ToniFromMars77   (Member)

Well, "Amadeus" is rumored to be issued early in 2023 from Criterion

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   deepscan   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

Good question.

Although I cannot speak for Jim Bowers & Jay Towers (Superman historians and hosts of the CapedWonder Superman Podcast), Bill Williams (another Superman historian), and Mike Matessino (all of whom I know really well), I can say there is a wealth of material related to SUPERMAN (publicity materials, additional outtakes, and even radio & TV spots and theatrical trailers that have never been released on home video)—some of this material is curated by Bowers himself for his web site, capedwonder.com .

There is also an audio commentary for the 3-hour TV version Bowers and Towers recorded that can be utilized for a potential Criterion edition (and by the way, this commentary is available on the Caped Wonder.com web site).

And of course, an opportunity to utilize an isolated score track for the TV cut (including the dialed-out musical cues).

So there is indeed more material out there that one can hope for in a Criterion edition of SUPERMAN. The next call, of course, is up to the powers that be at Criterion and WB.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Mike Petersen   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.


I'd also want the original theatrical cut.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Can they digitally fix his sup outfit so it has the correct shade of blue?

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Can they digitally fix his sup outfit so it has the correct shade of blue?

Didn't they do this decades ago for the Blu Rays? His costume hasn't been green in years.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Can they digitally fix his sup outfit so it has the correct shade of blue?

Didn't they do this decades ago for the Blu Rays? His costume hasn't been green in years.


That's great to hear! I honestly haven't seen the film in decades. I still need to pick up the Blu Ray.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.


I'd also want the original theatrical cut.


The existing 4K release IS the theatrical cut. Donner's cut is Blu-ray only so far. I feel like IF Criterion ever went for Superman (unlikely in my opinion) they would choose the theatrical version.

Incredibly, SUPERMAN II hasn't come out in 4K yet. I'm sure it will but it's a strange oversight.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

Well, "Amadeus" is rumored to be issued early in 2023 from Criterion

Hopefully with both cuts.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

WB also have a ton of Superman material in their vaults, including more behind the scenes footage.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   brysenji   (Member)

What exactly are you hoping for with a Criterion version of Superman?

The 4K version has inaccurate color grading, so that's one possible improvement.

Yeah, the color grading could be improved. Jim Bowers of CapedWonder has commented on this, as well as the existence of apparently a treasure trove of additional unseen materials in the WB vaults related to the Reeve Superman years.

One thing I'd love to see fixed from the existing 4K release is a flash frame of mis-coloring on Reeve's name in the opening credits sequence. It very obviously flashes pink for a couple frames and it blows my mind that they didn't catch that in QC.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Doubt SUPERMAN will ever be picked up by Criterion. It's not their type of movie. True, they do have some Hollywood action blockbusters in their catalogue, like THE ROCK, but in that case we're talking about an action auteur. Richard Donner was more of a journeyman. A very capable one, but not one that will ignite the cineastes at Criterion, I'm afraid.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

although the title was not actually mentioned on the podcast, his reply did imply that many surprises with WB from Criterion are on the horizon in terms of “contemporary” films, so it is possible SUPERMAN could be one of those titles

This is the reachiest reach that ever reached.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2022 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)


This is the reachiest reach that ever reached.


Yeah he's been doing this at HTF and Blu-ray.com too for several years now. Its really gotten beyond tiresome at this point.

 
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