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 Posted:   Sep 16, 2022 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

Yes, and I absolutely understand why that was done. But if worried about how things were presented in the film, why not relegate all the unused cues to the bonus section at the end too? IMO, if they were included in the C&C main program, so should that 44 seconds of "The Key" omitted from the film.

The film's the film, and the soundtrack album is the soundtrack album, and to me the right decision was made regarding all the other short bits of music that went unused in the film such as "For Father" and "Ready Champ?" -- those 44 seconds should have been treated the same way, and the shorter film version included as the bonus track IMO.


This was not a post-scoring music edit or something changed in the dub. This was a decision made at the scoring sessions. Take 13 was the complete cue and not used at all in the film. Someone, somewhere said (I'm paraphrasing) "I don't want that part in the movie" so they recorded the first half of the cue by itself (take 14). Then they recorded the second half of the cue by itself (take 17). Those are the final printed takes. For the original album, the decision was made to include the omitted section from the only complete take they had (take 13) and that version is available on the new Deluxe Edition as well.

Since the cue was changing anyway with the addition of "Empty Seats" at the start, per the film, it made sense to present "The Key" as it appears in the film, as this is how it was recorded.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2022 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I understand that logic, but do you also see where I’m coming from in preferring to have a way to listen to everything Jerry Goldsmith composed and recorded for the film, straight through in one program? I mean he himself must have liked those 44 seconds because he made sure to include them on the original album.

Anyway, I’ll drop it at this point because this is a great expansion and I don’t want to complain any more. I just wanted to voice the preference should something similar to this come up in the future: it would be nice to have a way to simply program, without the aid of an audio editor, the complete composition as the composer originally recorded/intended for the film regardless of what ended up in the film. Maybe in the future it comes up and it’s a matter of more music than simply choosing to have a unique 22 seconds vs 44 seconds in one’s program, so that’s why I brought it up.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2022 - 11:37 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

"Please stop talking about the cake!!!!"

James

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2022 - 4:26 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Stop going on about "The Key" FFS and let's ask why in the name of all that's holy are those annoying football fight songs are in the middle of the score program? eek It's a small issue as my CD rip will just drop those tracks, but I don't want any sis-boom-bah-rah-rah-rah in the middle of the score .

And why include them in the first place?? . At best they should be bonus tracks.

At the end of the CD.
Apart from all the score tracks.
Separated by that :44 sec of silence everybody is talking about above wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2022 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

Stop going on about "The Key" FFS and let's ask why in the name of all that's holy are those annoying football fight songs are in the middle of the score program? eek It's a small issue as my CD rip will just drop those tracks, but I don't want any sis-boom-bah-rah-rah-rah in the middle of the score .

And why include them in the first place?? . At best they should be bonus tracks.

At the end of the CD.
Apart from all the score tracks.
Separated by that :44 sec of silence everybody is talking about above wink


^ This.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2022 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

That can easily be solved with iTunes or even a programmable CD player though. smile

It was the first thing I did!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2022 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Stop going on about "The Key" FFS and let's ask why in the name of all that's holy are those annoying football fight songs are in the middle of the score program? eek It's a small issue as my CD rip will just drop those tracks, but I don't want any sis-boom-bah-rah-rah-rah in the middle of the score .

And why include them in the first place??


Did Goldsmith records those songs especially for the movie? If he did, it would somewhat justify their inclusion. If not...

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2022 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Not sure the degree of his involvement, but Varese's description does make it sound like they were recorded for the film: "including the film’s a cappella recordings of the classic “Hike, Notre Dame!” and “Notre Dame Victory March.”"

Still, I agree my preference is (almost always) to have source music at the end as bonus tracks...unless perhaps they're thematically connected to the score.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2022 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I listened to this release and boy, I really liked it!

I had never heard the old score album (and I have never seen the movie), so it was quite the experience for me to discover a whole new Jerry score and instantly realize why it's been such a popular one.

I purpose omitted the two Notre Dame songs from my playlist, have not even listened to those yet. I can't say I understand the benefit of programming them to be in between Jerry's score cues, instead of bonus tracks presented after. Easily enough for us to do on our own!

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2022 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Congrats, Jason!

It’s always a pleasure to discover a classic score for the first time and RUDY is a great one.

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2022 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Right?

The same thing happened for me with Intrada's Hoosiers, another film I have not seen.

I really want to see both these movies now!

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2022 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Right?

The same thing happened for me with Intrada's Hoosiers, another film I have not seen.

I really want to see both these movies now!


As Ive stated elsewhere Hoosiers is a really good film and I couldn't care less about basketball.

 
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