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 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

I thought that I would share this list of the top 25 best film scores of the 1990s that I just came across from Indiewire: https://www.indiewire.com/2022/08/best-movie-scores-90s-soundtrack-1234751766/

My thoughts on their top 25 list of the 1990s:

A best of the 1990s film score list without Elliot Goldenthal, how is this even possible? Alien 3, Cobb, Michael Collins, Heat and so on... all genius scores... unbelievable. For me, Goldenthal was the single most dominating force in 90s film music in terms of writing quality score after quality score, even more so than Thomas Newman. This omission is yet another proof of how undervalued and overlooked Goldenthal's work is in general. I just don't get it.

Also, no Jerry Goldsmith? I'm not even a big Goldsmith fan, but he did write a few of his better scores in the 1990s. Total Recall, Basic Instinct etc for example.

There are some fine choices on the list: I like the inclusion of the two Thomas Newman scores for example (as a massive Newman fan, I would have included plenty more of his scores in my top 25 of that decade), but there are also a lot of overrated scores as well as some questionable "indie" picks that I almost never see mentioned in the film score community or among most serious film music fans.

Also too much John Williams, did Star Wars: The Phantom Menace really have to be included for example? That's a pretty cheesy score that I certainly don't rank above more "serious" scores such as say for example Hans Zimmer's The Thin Red Line or Williams's own Nixon score, two scores that didn't even make their top 25 list.

What are your thoughts on Indiewire's top 25 of the 90s list?

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

No Zimmer???

But nice to see Kitaro, Air and Tom Tykwer there.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Curious list. Obviously we don't all have the same lists and this thread will be loaded with in-fighting about what was and/or wasn't included but this article brings attention to some beautiful scores which this piece might inspire many first time listeners. And that is what is important, in my view.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

I think that the Ryuichi Sakamoto score is wonderful and also underrated, it is probably his best score and he himself seems to think so too. He wrote in a more progressive, post-romantic minimalistic idiom and came up with a genius theme, even if I would have never placed it as #1 as the best score of the decade. It is up there though.

For me, Elliot Goldenthal's Alien 3 was easily the best score of the 1990s. In fact, I consider it to in many ways to be the best film score ever written. I just can't think of a more imaginative and consistent film score, all of the sonic detail that went into that score is amazing.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Have you ever seen a list on media like this that wasn’t odd? ¯\_smile_/¯

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   rdj252   (Member)

I thought that I would share this list of the top 25 best film scores of the 1990s that I just came across from Indiewire: https://www.indiewire.com/2022/08/best-movie-scores-90s-soundtrack-1234751766/

My thoughts on their top 25 list of the 1990s:

A best of the 1990s film score list without Elliot Goldenthal, how is this even possible? Alien 3, Cobb, Michael Collins, Heat and so on... all genius scores... unbelievable. For me, Goldenthal was the single most dominating force in 90s film music in terms of writing quality score after quality score, even more so than Thomas Newman. This omission is yet another proof of how undervalued and overlooked Goldenthal's work is in general. I just don't get it.

Also, no Jerry Goldsmith? I'm not even a big Goldsmith fan, but he did write a few of his better scores in the 1990s. Total Recall, Basic Instinct etc for example.

There are some fine choices on the list: I like the inclusion of the two Thomas Newman scores for example (as a massive Newman fan, I would have included plenty more of his scores in my top 25 of that decade), but there are also a lot of overrated scores as well as some questionable "indie" picks that I almost never see mentioned in the film score community or among most serious film music fans.

Also too much John Williams, did Star Wars: The Phantom Menace really have to be included for example? That's a pretty cheesy score that I certainly don't rank above more "serious" scores such as say for example Hans Zimmer's The Thin Red Line or Williams's own Nixon score, two scores that didn't even make their top 25 list.

What are your thoughts on Indiewire's top 25 of the 90s list?


Yeah this list is not good. It is good to see other people's opinions etc., but seeing stuff like this, especially in big media, I always have the feeling that these writers include some little known or indie movies just to prove how "enlightened" or "elite" they are. To me it always comes across as pretentious. Even folks who aren't bid fans of Zimmer, Goldsmith, Horner or JW and have any real knowledge of film music would have to include at least one of their scores from this decade is you're discussing the actual best from the 90s. Leaving out James Newton Howard too when he gave us such beautiful, exciting and fun scores like The Fugitive and Waterworld is a head scratcher too.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Also too much John Williams, did Star Wars: The Phantom Menace really have to be included for example? That's a pretty cheesy score that I certainly don't rank above more "serious" scores such as say for example Hans Zimmer's The Thin Red Line or Williams's own Nixon score, two scores that didn't even make their top 25 list.

The Phantom Menace is John Williams's best score. It deserves to be first on that list.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Some good choices but I would include:

Dances With Wolves (Barry)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (Kilar]
Last of the Mohicans (Edelman/Jones)
Interview With the Vampire (Goldenthal)
Flesh and Bone (Newman)

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Some good choices but I would include:

Dances With Wolves (Barry)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (Kilar]
Last of the Mohicans (Edelman/Jones)
Interview With the Vampire (Kilar)
Flesh and Bone (Newman)


Goldenthal did Interview with the Vampire, fwiw

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Let's remember the purpose of these lists, and the sites that host them, is not to be informative, it's to be clickbait in a pay per click economy.

It works, as you can see.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2022 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   knisper.shayan   (Member)

please forget about these lists!!! amen!!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Indiewire's writings reflect what is bad with film criticism nowadays.

That list features almost no knowledge on what a film score is and what's its function.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

What are your thoughts on Indiewire's top 25 of the 90s list?

Some odd choices but also some great ones, so IndieWire being IndieWire basically.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Since Mr. Baseball isn't on the list I can't take it seriously.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Let's remember the purpose of these lists, and the sites that host them, is not to be informative, it's to be clickbait in a pay per click economy.

It works, as you can see.

Cheers


I hear ya, but there's only like 3000 of us. Why would they bother with such an article? Better off writing The Best Lady Gaga movies. That would surely get more views.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Let's remember the purpose of these lists, and the sites that host them, is not to be informative, it's to be clickbait in a pay per click economy.

It works, as you can see.

Cheers


I hear ya, but there's only like 3000 of us. Why would they bother with such an article? Better off writing The Best Lady Gaga movies. That would surely get more views.


Believe it or not but most people who listen to film music probably don't frequent this board. And can't say I don't blame them...

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Let's remember the purpose of these lists, and the sites that host them, is not to be informative, it's to be clickbait in a pay per click economy.

It works, as you can see.

Cheers

I hear ya, but there's only like 3000 of us. Why would they bother with such an article? Better off writing The Best Lady Gaga movies. That would surely get more views.

Believe it or not but most people who listen to film music probably don't frequent this board.


I'm not basing my comments on the number of board members here but the number of limited edition soundtracks which average around 3000. Though shockingly LLL just released a few 5000 limited editions.

And can't say I don't blame them...

You're here. I guess you're into sadomasochism then? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Anyone who isn't including AIR FORCE ONE or US MARSHALS on their list of the best 90's scores clearly wasn't awake throughout the 90's.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Anyone who isn't including AIR FORCE ONE or US MARSHALS on their list of the best 90's scores clearly wasn't awake throughout the 90's.

Both are mediocre at best

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2022 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Since Mr. Baseball isn't on the list I can't take it seriously.

Best post in the thread

 
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