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 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Sorry if my "negativity" triggers some people but...

Two characters get run thru with a Lightsaber and somehow survive. (remember how Han died in episode 7?) Lightsabers bounce off of Stormtroopers armor. Reva orders her men to blast open a door with a super powerful cannon for 30 minutes only to have Reva walk right up to the door and split it in half with her Lightsaber in half a second. Stormtroopers and Rebels fire at each other standing literately three feet apart and no on can hit anything. Reva is a bad ass and mouths off to Vader. Last I remember everyone was afraid of Vader. Darth Vader puts up with Reva why? He'd choke the life out of any other subordinate. ( I won't even get into the spoilers)

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Sorry if my "negativity" triggers some people but...

Two characters get run thru with a Lightsaber and somehow survive. (remember how Han died in episode 7?) Lightsabers bounce off of Stormtroopers armor. Reva orders her men to blast open a door with a super powerful cannon for 30 minutes only to have Reva walk right up to the door and split it in half with her Lightsaber in half a second. Stormtroopers and Rebels fire at each other standing literately three feet apart and no on can hit anything. Reva is a bad ass and mouths off to Vader. Last I remember everyone was afraid of Vader. Darth Vader puts up with Reva why? He'd choke the life out of any other subordinate. ( I won't even get into the spoilers)



It does sound excessively implausible, but I've had no great love for any of it that came after 1979.

They've either skewed too young and childish (RotJ, TPM), or had wildly over-done, frantically busy CGI that exhausts my eyes (AotC), or smelled of inappropriate, conveniently-placed political bias for my taste (AotC, LotJ).

Cases where characters are unmotivated puppets doing what they'd never do, just to advance the writers' agenda (Luke in LotJ for example), characters who are instantly great at everything with no experience (Rey is her name?), and action playing out so implausibly as to insult your intelligence (whatever production Solium is dissecting, that I am blissfully unfamiliar with) are just icing on the "I don't follow Star Wars anymore" cake.

YMMV. To be fair, my preferred franchise Star Trek has its own growing share of now-fashionable drivel gumming it up, and even the vintage movies were seldom brilliant.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

I’m kind of enjoying the series but I agree the writing is ridiculously inconsistent.

There was an episode a couple of weeks ago where Obi Wan could have used a Jedi mind trick to fool some stormtroopers but he appears to have forgotten that ability. In much the same way that Vader appears to have forgotten that he could jump over a pool of fire (in fact in Empire, didn’t he kind of fly?).

I would almost forgive all that were in not for the fact they have turned Obi Wan into a dull, navel-gazing PTSD sufferer which I just find incredibly boring.

But good to see that Hayden Christensen is still the dreadful actor he always was - at least they are consistent with that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

That pool of fire was particularly irksome to me cos we'd already seen Vader start the fire, put the fire out and levitate Kenobi around willly nilly, only to become completely useless when the fire was reignited by a blaster shot.
He could have extinguished it again or lifted Kenobi over it.
It's beyond lazy writing.
It's stupid and insulting to ones intelligence.
People are getting paid lots of money to produce this shit.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Wasn't there one movie way back, where Yoda is a creaky old fart who can barely walk even with a cane— until he gets in a fight, and then he whips around the scene with the high-speed power of flight as he kicks the crap out of someone four times his size?

If he had the power to defy gravity and propel his body, why can't he use it to walk? Why the cane?

And I think it was TPM or AotC where they show a society using beasts of burden to slowly pull carts, but the carts have no wheels because they have anti-gravity technology instead. If they have anti-gravity worked out, why can't they motorize those carts?

This franchise depends on the audience to be passive and without thought or reason.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I was ten years old and in awe when I saw STAR WARS for the first time and loved it... I have not even seen a single episode of Obi-Wan or The Mandolorian. Maybe I won't even bother.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I can't believe people get paid to write this stuff. How much do they make per script? I mean I could write for Disney if this is their standard. Any of us could. It's so frustrating.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2022 - 10:31 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Why do you people still watch this junk? Just turn off Star Wars. It sucks.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2022 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Why do you people still watch this junk? Just turn off Star Wars. It sucks.

I gave up on the Disney sequels, only seeing episode 9 on commercial television a few weeks ago. Didn't care for R1. Tried a few episodes of Mandalorian and gave up. Never bothered with Boba Fett.

But of all of these titles, Obi-Wan Kenobi had the most potential and interest being these are legacy characters.

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2022 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I Watch it because I Like Ewan as Obi-Wan and am interested to see how it plays out. It's a short run and the episodes aren't long, so it's not a huge time investment.

I am not all that critical and if I only watched "good" Star Wars, I would have stopped at Empire.

That said, I quit on Boba Fett two episodes in mostly because the lead actor was horrible and can't carry a series.

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2022 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

First, Uncle George managed to completely destroy the aura and charism of one of the best villains in Cinema history by showing us how weak minded, gullible and influenceable (in other words stupid) he was in the prelogy. And made Obi-Wan one of the most boring Jedi knights in the galaxy. But he still retained my sympathy somehow.

Then Disney, decided to continue the trend by giving a back story to every single beloved characters from the original trilogy and ruined them all. But on top of that, they decided to build (vomit would be more accurate) "stories" around one dimensional background characters who appear 5 minutes and die in ridiculous ways.
Which, to be fair I think could have been a good idea. But they're so scared to lose money by upsetting the crowd of hyper toxic fans (and their bottomless wallet), they had to find the dumbest ways to tie their stories to the main mythology and make even the baddies likable or redeemable heroes.

Star Wars has become a cult, very much like the Scientology and Disney its cynical guardian.

They give you shit wrapped in shiny aluminum foil.

And I'm a fan of the original trilogy (the one without CG filth all over). But I have to thank Mister Lucas for massacring his own baby. doing so, he freed me from a life of materialism and obsession over a meaningless saga and the ocean of plastic it created.

I'm still keeping a distracted eye on all things Star Wars that come around but it's all been pretty much junk so far.

Sorry if I sound trolly. It's just my opinion, and like yours, it doesn't matter.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 2:10 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I don't "hate" STAR WARS, I can watch the films and be entertained for the eye candy, but they are "empty", I am not engaged with anything that happens in there, or what happens with or to any of the characters. R2D2 flying? Leia space floating on the force? Characters like Yoda and Chewbacca already interacting long before the events of the middle trilogy? Darth Vader building C3PO? Palpatine behind everything? Obi-Wan wearing the same clothes for decades? The Empire even used to be a bureaucratic institution (where the Jedi religion was an ancient and belittled myth) which was retconned by Lukas in ESB and RotJ to become a "Dark Force" empire... and so on... ever since RotJ, everything that happens in these movies has just become completely arbitrary and just whatever whim the writers of the day want to come up with. Nothing grows organically out of the characters or the stories, you can hear the script paper rustling when the characters do or say something.
I don't mean that to spoil anyone's fun with STAR WARS, good for people, when they enjoy it. I certainly enjoy all of John Williams' scores, but I don't see why I should invest any time (or money... for Disney+) in OBI-WAN, despite the fact that I really like Ewan McGregor's take on the role.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

First, Uncle George managed to completely destroy the aura and charism of one of the best villains in Cinema history by showing us how weak minded, gullible and influenceable (in other words stupid) he was in the prelogy.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I'm stunned at how much company I have on this topic! From smart people, no less.

Usually my opinions are sent out like clay pigeons, and promptly blasted. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

Why do you people still watch this junk? Just turn off Star Wars. It sucks.

I gave up on the Disney sequels, only seeing episode 9 on commercial television a few weeks ago. Didn't care for R1. Tried a few episodes of Mandalorian and gave up. Never bothered with Boba Fett.

But of all of these titles, Obi-Wan Kenobi had the most potential and interest being these are legacy characters.


I really had the same high hopes. I barely made it through The Mandalorian season 1 and Boba Fett looks terrible. I thought with Ewan's involvement this series had great potential and I've read enough from here and other sources to know it ain't worth the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

This is the franchise that regularly has shield generators outside of the shields they're generating so they can be blown up and the shield can be brought down so the plot can move forward (The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith). It's also got a love triangle retconned into incest and the Emperor setting a trap by giving the Rebels the location of the actual shield generator instead of a dummy facility that will explode when entered.

Star Wars has always been a mess. Just enjoy the ride.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2022 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Why do you people still watch this junk? Just turn off Star Wars. It sucks.

I gave up on the Disney sequels, only seeing episode 9 on commercial television a few weeks ago. Didn't care for R1. Tried a few episodes of Mandalorian and gave up. Never bothered with Boba Fett.

But of all of these titles, Obi-Wan Kenobi had the most potential and interest being these are legacy characters.


I really had the same high hopes. I barely made it through The Mandalorian season 1 and Boba Fett looks terrible. I thought with Ewan's involvement this series had great potential and I've read enough from here and other sources to know it ain't worth the time.

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This is the franchise that regularly has shield generators outside of the shields they're generating so they can be blown up and the shield can be brought down so the plot can move forward (The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith). It's also got a love triangle retconned into incest and the Emperor setting a trap by giving the Rebels the location of the actual shield generator instead of a dummy facility that will explode when entered.

Star Wars has always been a mess. Just enjoy the ride.


Star Wars got messier as it went along but regardless what one thinks of Star Wars logic, what I think fans wanted (include me in this) was a strong story that centered around the title character Obi-Wan and Vader. Not spend half of the time with some new character no one knows or cares about. Now they could've done a stand alone Reva series but they knew it couldn't stand on its own. Obi-Wan Kenobi was another bait and switch from Disney.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

the Emperor setting a trap by giving the Rebels the location of the actual shield generator instead of a dummy facility that will explode when entered......

To be fair, they had just invested a fortune into the first Death Star which turned out not to be such a great investment. Then more trillions poured into Death Star V2 - how could that go wrong?

I don’t think The Empire was flush for cash to go and make decoy generator facilities by then.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

the Emperor setting a trap by giving the Rebels the location of the actual shield generator instead of a dummy facility that will explode when entered......

To be fair, they had just invested a fortune into the first Death Star which turned out not to be such a great investment. Then more trillions poured into Death Star V2 - how could that go wrong?

I don’t think The Empire was flush for cash to go and make decoy generator facilities by then.


Lucas's brain was clearly fried by the third Star Wars movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2022 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Actually, the Empire re-building the Death Star was one of the things I liked about RotJ. I mean, if the Death Star was such powerful weapon and establishment of force that the Rebellion could be squashed once and for all, it is perfectly logical and reasonable that you re-build a better one with a more protected thermal exhaust port. In fact, long before RotJ came out, we (us kids) thought "why didn't the Empire just build another (and better) Death Star?".

 
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