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 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

So why is it, that there is no "real" complete soundtrack release of this score.Theres only the rerecording of a suite ( which is of course fantastic ) and the score release by the FilmMusicSociety.So, if they ( FMS) could release it ,why no other lable?

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

So why is it, that there is no "real" complete soundtrack release of this score.Theres only the rerecording of a suite ( which is of course fantastic ) and the score release by the FilmMusicSociety.So, if they ( FMS) could release it ,why no other lable?

A few reasons, a lack of love for Rozsa, the complete tracks to do exit, a recording may be too expensive and the lack of interest and sales may deter labels from investing time and money into the project. I for one would really love a complete recording and hope Intrada look at the possibility of this after the Herrmann recordings.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well obviously the tapes exist ,otherwise there wouldnt be the FMS release.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Why should another label release it when there's already FMS?
What is the problem with the FMS version that any other is so much needed?

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

So why is it, that there is no "real" complete soundtrack release of this score.Theres only the rerecording of a suite ( which is of course fantastic ) and the score release by the FilmMusicSociety.So, if they ( FMS) could release it ,why no other lable?

Surely the Film Music Society CD is the “”real” complete soundtrack”? I see that it is still available from Screen Archives and direct from FMS.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

A few reasons, a lack of love for Rozsa, the complete tracks to do exit, a recording may be too expensive and the lack of interest and sales may deter labels from investing time and money into the project. I for one would really love a complete recording and hope Intrada look at the possibility of this after the Herrmann recordings.

Based on a previous Intrada poll, many people are interested in a Jungle Book re-recording, but there have been fears about costs, like you said. I know that Roger particularly expressed his fear of the cost of a chorus.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Based on a previous Intrada poll, many people are interested in a Jungle Book re-recording, but there have been fears about costs, like you said. I know that Roger particularly expressed his fear of the cost of a chorus.

There is no chorus in the OST.

The FMS CD is beautifully produced, and I much prefer the original orchestrations than the (unnecessarily) more symphonic suite (Chandos recorded it without the narration).

Charles Gerhardt's arrangement and recording of the "Song of the Jungle" with the added chorus is superb, though (but there isn't any chorus in the OST).

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Well obviously the tapes exist ,otherwise there wouldnt be the FMS release.




No. The FMS release was made from a bunch of poor condition old acetates, bought at an auction house for $200 from an undisclosed seller.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

And Americans did not use "tapes" in 1940. Magnetic recording was developed in Germany and caught on here only after the war.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

So why is it, that there is no "real" complete soundtrack release of this score.Theres only the rerecording of a suite (which is of course fantastic) and the score release by the FilmMusicSociety. So, if they (FMS) could release it, why no other label?

So if you acknowledge the FMS release, why do you say there's been no real release? That IS the release...of (unfortunately) all the surviving material from the original recording that could be found, in the best condition it could be found in. (Note: not all of it matches the film versions.)

Honestly considering how little Rozsa from the 30s and 40s survives, we are lucky to have what we do.

Well obviously the tapes exist, otherwise there wouldnt be the FMS release.

As Basil noted, that was taken from acetates rather than tapes, which is all that could be found (see also: Thief of Bagdad...thankfully Tadlow produced a brilliant new recording of that for Prometheus). But again, what are you asking for if you acknowledge the FMS exists?

I mean...maybe the audio wizard Chris Malone could take a crack at this material and make it sound better, I suppose. He's worked miracles on things before. But it's pretty rough.

No, what we need is another re-recording...probably two discs needed to cover everything written for the film (including significant alternates). I'm glad there isn't a choir needed, though I wouldn't say no to a new recording of the later choral version included...maybe it could be a stretch goal for a prospective Kickstarter campaign?

Anyhow sign me up, as soon as someone feels like giving this a go. I like the score even better than Thief of Bagdad! (No annoying "I Want to Be a Sailor" in this one...)

The FMS CD is beautifully produced, and I much prefer the original orchestrations than the (unnecessarily) more symphonic suite (Chandos recorded it without the narration).

100% agreed.

Based on a previous Intrada poll, many people are interested in a Jungle Book re-recording

To be precise, it was a clear 2nd place winner in the poll, behind Goldsmith's Black Patch (which was recently done) by only 8 votes, and ahead of the 3rd place Herrmann's The Man Who Knew Too Much (which is getting done next!) by 14 votes!
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7967

I'm guessing Intrada went with the Herrmann because 1) they've already done a lot more Rozsa recordings than Herrmann recordings, over the years and 2) it was probably the preference of conductor William Stromberg to do next, and since he's the greatest Herrmann conductor who ever lived, I'm not going to complain...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well the FMS release is not available for purchase for "ordinary" people..or am I wrong?
Dont you have to be a member of some sort ?

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Well the FMS release is not available for purchase for "ordinary" people..or am I wrong?

Any ordinary person with $30 can buy it.

https://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/4120/JUNGLE-BOOK-ARCHIVAL-EDITION/

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well the FMS release is not available for purchase for "ordinary" people..or am I wrong?
Dont you have to be a member of some sort ?


Nope, SAE had it right away for purchase when it was released (maybe for $20 or maybe for $25, I forget). I've never been a member of FMS and I got my copy easy-peasy when it came out.

There are some other FMS releases that were much more exclusive to them, however.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Because the Film Music Society (formerly Society for the Preservation of Film Music) is a nonprofit and originally offered that disc as a kind of premium, they may have been able to bypass aspects of the licensing process. I see that the disc was originally a "limited edition of 1000 copies" © 2004. Has that changed?

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Because the Film Music Society (formerly Society for the Preservation of Film Music) is a nonprofit and originally offered that disc as a kind of premium, they may have been able to bypass aspects of the licensing process. I see that the disc was originally a "limited edition of 1000 copies" © 2004. Has that changed?

Produced by Alexander Korda and released by United Artists, the film appears to be out of copyright because according to the Library of Congress the rights were not renewed (hence all those poor quality discs of the film from numerous labels) so I'm not sure what if any licence would be required for the music tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

The Suite is copyrighted and it contains almost all of the score's thematic material.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

The suite is indeed fantastic..and if its the deal than Im happysmile
I cant enjoy acetate recordings with constant noise.DON JUAN which for me is the best Steiner and I own the CD..but just cant listen to it..its such a bad sound.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah I admit the FMS disc sounds *barely* good enough for me to enjoy it (but not good enough for me to play it as often as I would).

I really hope that Intrada tackles The Jungle Book after this Herrmann twofer, assuming it's successful...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

The FMS disc is great to have as an archival record, but the sound is barely listenable and it is NOT complete. There are some excellent recordings of the concert suite, of course, but the suite fails to capture the full depth and breadth of the score -- the sinister music for the White Cobra, for example, is entirely absent. A full re-recording is desperately needed, and since it is my very favorite Miklos Rozsa score (and one of the scores that got me into film music in the first place), I hold out hope that it will happen someday ... hopefully within my lifetime!

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The FMS disc includes a 22-minute interview with Rozsa which makes a very nice bonus track.

 
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