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 Posted:   May 20, 2022 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

Ark Square has many for sale.

Obviously, boots are bad for business and should be avoided.

What about promos? Are some ok to buy and not others? Aren't FYC CDs essentially promos? We buy those.

Thoughts.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2022 - 11:56 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

Promotional albums are not bootlegs per se, though they are often bootlegged. They are not licensed for commercial sale, even FYC discs, though they are sometimes sold on various specialty websites. Whether they are "OK to buy" seems outside the scope of this forum -- at least until someone starts posting links here. My own view is that the existence and contents of promo albums with a known provenance (many of them are reliably catalogued at Soundtrack.net or SoundtrackCollector.com) are fair game for conversation here, but that it would be best to avoid discussion of where to purchase such albums. I have no moderating authority, that's just my take as a board member.

Another sticky subject is separating legit promotional releases from bootlegs that slap on a "promotional" label in an effort to appear legitimate. Unless you receive a promo directly from the composer, their representation, or the original manufacturer, it can be hard to be assured of their pedigree.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I recently bought FOR YOUR EYES ONLY EXPANDED, SPY HARD and AVENGING ANGELO and I don't know if they're promos or not. But if they're not it's pretty obvious they're not going to be released officially anyway, so I don't have a problem with it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

Thanks for the replies, guys. Appreciate it!

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

A promo CD might not be a bootleg per se, but it's not licensed for sale.

The moment it goes on sale, it's a bootleg.

Promo CDs are supposed to be for sending to people like agents, possible employers, reviewers, etc, to, like it says, promote your work.

That said, if the composer themself is putting out because no one else will and they want people to hear it, like Michael J Lewis did, I have no qualms in buying it.

It's the ones put out by others and directly impact possible releases or rip off legal releases that I object to.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

The first two promo LPs I remember, from the early/mid-seventies, were Barry's Robin and Marian (followed later by a boot version with a vocal) and J. Williams' Images. Both wonderful releases that had to last for a few decades until commercially released on CD.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)


A promo CD might not be a bootleg per se, but it's not licensed for sale.
The moment it goes on sale, it's a bootleg.


If this is from a movie from the last year, possibly, but if it is a promo from 40 years ago, it doesn't make sense to call it a bootleg.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I know buying promos are frowned upon, but since nobody is releasing Conti anymore I'll get them anyway I can.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Intrada has produced and released many a promo in it's day, in conjunction with the composer. I think many, many of them ended up with a legitimate release.
The first that comes to mind are Young Sherlock Holmes (2 legit releases through Intrada), Remo Williams (three legit releases, 1 through Intrada), and the original BSG (Intrada eventually released all the series music across multiple legit multi-disc albums).
A Chris Young promo 'Def-Con 4' never did see a complete release, but 'Avenging Angel' saw a legit release.

That said, most promos do not receive such consideration and follow up.
It very much depends on their provenance. Some promo albums are fairly well documented. Others are clearly bootlegs that will hopefully spur a legit release

In the end, I agree most with Stephen Woolston above.


Then there's the Grey Market, releases that may be technically legitimate in one part of the world (and even then...) but which still make their way around the world, preventing the creators from getting paid properly.

Best to track down the most legitimate releases you can find and lobby the rights holders to cough up the stuff you want in the format you want.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There are a number that Intrada produced which still haven't come out officially... several for Laurence Rosenthal that are in my collection, for example (the TV and film music 2 CD compilations, Billy the Kid, and perhaps others -- Becket was one that got a recent upgrade to official release).

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Still, some promos have been produced for the retail market.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

What if we could make a list of our favorite promo soundtracks that not yet got an official release and then let the guys in the business tell us (perhaps by rating them from most likely to forget it) which ones they think is most likely to be released officially by any of the film music labels in a near future?

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   David Kessler   (Member)

I´ll get the music wherever I can , BUT prefere official releases thou BUT if a label/ composer releases a hackjob with a score and leave out half the music on a release, I don´t mind to also have a promo/bootleg too.

I want the whole thing and if it exist out there, I´ll work to get it for my own purpose, BUT I´m one of those relics that much more enjoy a real CD/LP from something streaming or downloaded...

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I recently picked up Goldsmith’s MULAN complete Promo for 24.00 on eBay in mint condition.

I couldn’t pass that up:-)

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   akhnaton   (Member)

STAR WARS: The Rise of Skywalker FYC just sold on e-Bay for: $548.00 !!!!

What is this buyer smoking??

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

STAR WARS: The Rise of Skywalker FYC just sold on e-Bay for: $548.00 !!!!

What is this buyer smoking??


I see stuff like this on eBay all the time. But rarely actually selling.
I imagine this sits somewhere in the realm of Ian Fleming's 'Property of a Lady', wherein mundane, or not so mundane items, exchange hands for too-large sums of money to pay off spies and the like.
Or it's just plain money laundering.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 12:00 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I think another factor is quantity.

If a hundred promo CDs are created of something to send around folks—i.e. in the true spirit of what promo is, not using the word 'promo' to cover up for bootleg...

And then a recipient of that decides to sell it on eBay...

Or the producer of it decides to get rid of excess copies on eBay...

Or the beneficiary (the composer) decides to get rid of excess copies...

Well, I suppose technically that's still not completely legit, because it's not licensed for sale, but nobody's going to have a coronory over promos produced in small quantities leaking into the market.

In fact, those would become very collectable.

It's the proper bootlegs produced in greater quantities purely to sell that's what people are going to get hot about.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Well, it's all such a grey area anyway.
I mean, Caldera Records recently accused BSX of selling bootlegs cos they cleared SOME licensing with the composer/estate, but not the actual/current studio/rights owners!!
It actually stopped Caldera from legally releasing the music!
So are they merely pushing promos onto us?
I bought PLENTY of promos (or were they bootlegs) during the BOOM TIME 90s from SAE, at $20 a pop and TO THIS DAY, it's the ONLY WAY I have that music on CD (DEADLY BLESSING, SUGARLAND EXPRESS, lots of my DAVID NEWMAN collection and so many others).

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 12:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

These days, there are very few promos being pressed on physical media. They're mostly files, so the whole topic of buying and selling mostly applies to older promos. A recent trend I've noticed, however, is that many PR agencies no longer include files in their press kits, but rather links to commercial streaming platforms. So the reviewer has to contact the agency if he or she wants the files for private listening without ads etc (not everyone has premium Spotify accounts, for example). I'm sure the intention is to avoid spreading by untrustworthy reviewers, but the drawback is that the moment you contact said agency, there's an implicit expectation you'll write about it.

But that's a kinda tangential topic. I have no particular strong opinion on the matter of buying and selling old promo CDs.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2022 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


Well, I suppose technically that's still not completely legit, because it's not licensed for sale, but nobody's going to have a coronory over promos produced in small quantities leaking into the market.


Well, I'm pretty sure if you are given something gratis, without some manner of contract, as long as the item itself isn't stolen, you have every right to sell it if you want (at least in the US). IANAL though.

 
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