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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

According to twitter user Mark 2000 Farinas it seems that someone involved with this vinyl release did a very bad thing with the main title.

"First is that the main theme fades in for some reason instead of hitting hard at full volume. The whole point of that opening BUM BUM is to shock you after being lulled by the soothing overture."

https://twitter.com/trekcomic/status/1704214310199906655

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

According to twitter user Mark 2000 Farinas it seems that someone involved with this vinyl release did a very bad thing with the main title.

"First is that the main theme fades in for some reason instead of hitting hard at full volume. The whole point of that opening BUM BUM is to shock you after being lulled by the soothing overture."

https://twitter.com/trekcomic/status/1704214310199906655


WTF? Well maybe they figured fans of this score are 102 years old and they didn’t want to give them a heart attack.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

I have the Enjoy The Ride Release. EVERY SINGLE track fades in. Mastering is awful. Whole thing sounds flat. Unlistenable in my opinion.

Keep the LLL release.

Sound and packaging is superior on the LLL as always.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I have the Enjoy The Ride Release. EVERY SINGLE track fades in. Mastering is awful. Whole thing sounds flat. Unlistenable in my opinion.

Keep the LLL release.

Sound and packaging is superior on the LLL as always.


That's... awful. More proof after the Stylotone debacle that these vinyl boutique releases are worthless.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I have the Enjoy The Ride Release. EVERY SINGLE track fades in. Mastering is awful. Whole thing sounds flat. Unlistenable in my opinion.

Keep the LLL release.

Sound and packaging is superior on the LLL as always.


That's... awful. More proof after the Stylotone debacle that these vinyl boutique releases are worthless.


A CD can obviously have a considerably greater dynamic range than an LP can provide. That doesn't "excuse" the fading in of tracks, but the dynamics may be flatter out of necessity. It's a cool looking LP though.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

A CD can obviously have a considerably greater dynamic range than an LP can provide. That's doesn't "excuse" the fading in of tracks, but the dynamics may be flatter out of necessity. It's a cool looking LP though.

Exactly. My frustration is not so much the format (which I'm not a fan of, but that's not important) but rather that the people making collectable LPs are - despite claims to the contrary - indifferent to the audio they're preserving on vinyl.

Can you imagine the stupidity of globally applying fade ins and fade outs to an entire digital master (and it WAS digital) for no reason? What would that do to the Beatles' "A Hard Day's Night"? It's ludicrous. It shows the engineer responsible is an amateur.

It's a market of collectables not audio excellence, and that's been demonstrated too many times to count by snafu's like this along with outright fraud and misrepresentation by the producers in some cases. Caveat emptor.

edit: Nothing I said applies to La La Land. They do consistently great work and I believe that's clear to everyone.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

A CD can obviously have a considerably greater dynamic range than an LP can provide. That's doesn't "excuse" the fading in of tracks, but the dynamics may be flatter out of necessity. It's a cool looking LP though.

Exactly. My frustration is not so much the format (which I'm not a fan of, but that's not important) but rather that the people making collectable LPs are - despite claims to the contrary - indifferent to the audio they're preserving on vinyl.

Can you imagine the stupidity of globally applying fade ins and fade outs to an entire digital master (and it WAS digital) for no reason? What would that do to the Beatles' "A Hard Day's Night"? It's ludicrous.

It's a market of collectables not audio excellence, and that's been demonstrated too many times to count by snafu's like this along with outright fraud and misrepresentation by the producers in some cases. Caveat emptor.


Yes, I agree. I bought only one LP this century so far, and that was for collectability reasons. Have not even opened it yet. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

I like some of the stuff Mondo does. I wish Intrada would pick up LPs again. Their Clash of the Titans and Transformers LP releases were spectacular. They put a lot of care (and $) into the overall presentation and it shows. But of course cost prohibited in the end.

I hope that Mondo decides to pick up more Trek releases. Particularly Search for Spock, The Final Frontier and First Contact. They would do it well.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I like some of the stuff Mondo does. I wish Intrada would pick up LPs again. Their Clash of the Titans and Transformers LP releases were spectacular. They put a lot of care (and $) into the overall presentation and it shows. But of course cost prohibited in the end.

I hope that Mondo decides to pick up more Trek releases. Particularly Search for Spock, The Final Frontier and First Contact. They would do it well.


I think Intrada's Roger Feigelson said something along the lines of show us how to sell LPs and we make 'em. Apparently, they just did not sell well.

But Intrada specifically caters to film music LISTENERS, people who are mostly in it for the music and want to listen to that. Mondo has another audience, they have a leg in the "collectability" market, so I guess they have at least some people picking up their soundtrack releases who may have an attachment to the movie, but who are not in it primarily for the film score.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I like some of the stuff Mondo does. I wish Intrada would pick up LPs again. Their Clash of the Titans and Transformers LP releases were spectacular. They put a lot of care (and $) into the overall presentation and it shows. But of course cost prohibited in the end.

I hope that Mondo decides to pick up more Trek releases. Particularly Search for Spock, The Final Frontier and First Contact. They would do it well.


I think Intrada's Roger Feigelson said something along the lines of show us how to sell LPs and we make 'em. Apparently, they just did not sell well.

But Intrada specifically caters to film music LISTENERS, people who mostly in it for the music and want to listen to that. Mondo has another audience, they have a leg in the "collectability" market, so I guess they have at least some people picking up their soundtrack releases who may have an attachment to the movie, but who are not in it primarily for the film score.


Neither did La La Lands LP's. As been discussed they're buying a collectable from company that is selling collectibles. Not music.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I have the Enjoy The Ride Release. EVERY SINGLE track fades in. Mastering is awful. Whole thing sounds flat. Unlistenable in my opinion.

Keep the LLL release.

Sound and packaging is superior on the LLL as always.


I did also encounter the same issues with my copy and reached out to ETR directly. I was not the only one who noted the "fade in" present on each band/track. They said they received the audio files directly from Paramount and assumed these were presented as already vetted, but are now conferring with the record plant itself to find out if it's a problem with the pressing.

 
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