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 Posted:   Nov 25, 2021 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

By 1966, Jerry Goldsmith was already well-known to me as an excellent composer. I had revelled in his music for the "Doctor Kildare" TV series and others, plus his wonderful scores for "Freud" and "A Patch of Blue".

When I heard this score for "The Sand Pebbles" it did not surprise me as much as it took my breath away. I knew him capable, but this score alone proved he could hold his own with any composer working in Hollywood.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2021 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Has the original album presentation ever been released on CD? I've got the Deluxe Edition and the RSNO recording. I guess I could just make the original album from the Deluxe album so long as there were no album edits on the LP.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The original album presentation was put on CD by grey market label Tsunami but it was a vinyl to CD transfer and inherently dodgy.

I haven't checked myself but presumably you could recreate the original album presentation by selecting and sequencing tracks from the Intrada CD, no?

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I haven't checked myself but presumably you could recreate the original album presentation by selecting and sequencing tracks from the Intrada CD, no?


I've only got the Varese Deluxe Edition and RSNO recording. I'll check soundtrackcollector.com to reference the original album and see what I can do with the DE.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yup, a great score, you can't beat sixties Goldsmith. I didn't get the Varese Club, so I was very happy to buy the two-disc Intrada release. I know they had to use a track from the album, as the original track of that cue was unusable (was it Death Of A Thousand Cuts?). I'm trying to think, but wasn't the album the same recording as the original, they didn't do a rerecording for the album. I must look at the film again, there's a very nice looking Blu-ray.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I must surely love this film, as I go back to it once a year or so to revisit on Blu-ray. I would have voted in Goldsmith's favor if I'd had an Academy Ballot that year. I'd also have voted for Joseph MacDonald's (Color) Cinematography that year as well. Remember that scene where 1st Officer Bardellis leads a small crew up to rescue those at the mission? When the sailors reach the summit of all those countless steps up the side of the steep hill, for just a moment, the camera rests and takes in the lovely background and the river far below; gorgeous! I'd also have selected Steve McQueen over the eventual winner for Actor, Paul Scofield. Scofield was undoubtedly impressive as Sir Thomas Moore in 'A Man for all Seasons', but he was (to me), simply too saintly, and too one dimensional compared to McQueen who's character varies immensely throughout the film. 'The Sand Pebbles' was a film that came out, I think, at just the right time to incorporate all the talents visible, (and audible), onscreen.
An addendum: I'd mentioned in the past of the incident regarding the purchase of the original soundtrack album of 'The Sand Pebbles' from a used record dealer. In 1973, the soundtrack album was out-of-print I think. But I found the fold out 20th Century Fox album for cheap, and bought it. When I got home I had side one of 'The Sand Pebbles' and side two of 'The Bible', also a Fox soundtrack. I should have held onto that one!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

"Hello, Engine, I'm Jake Holman."
cool

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I remember the late RoryR often lambasted me for not being a particularly big fan of the SAND PEBBLES score, preferring the RSNO rerecording and not having seen the movie. I eventually saw the movie, and merely found it OK (much like the score). It irked him, but he was thankful I saw it. There have been a million SAND PEBBLES threads over the years, but I can't remember where this particular encounter took place.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

"Hello, Engine, I'm Jake Holman."

Yep, Howard, love that line. Steve McQueen was amazing in that role. He played a man who understood engines and machines but not really humans. (Hence Holman...Wholeman.) He did receive an Oscar nomination for this acting. I thought all the actors were very good. I bought the LP right after seeing the movie. Great score.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I remember the late RoryR often lambasted me for not being a particularly big fan of the SAND PEBBLES score, preferring the RSNO rerecording and not having seen the movie. I eventually saw the movie, and merely found it OK (much like the score). It irked him, but he was thankful I saw it. There have been a million SAND PEBBLES threads over the years, but I can't remember where this particular encounter took place.

Always the disdain, eh, Thor? It's not enough that folks are enjoying the thread. YOU don't like the score.

NEXT!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I remember getting this album and thinking it was cool that it was the first time I saw what Jerry Goldsmith looked liked. Cool Gatefold LP Album had a small photo of Jerry at that time. I always thought he looked more like an airline pilot, than a musical composer in that photo for some reason.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2021 - 10:28 PM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

I remember the late RoryR often lambasted me for not being a particularly big fan of the SAND PEBBLES score, preferring the RSNO rerecording and not having seen the movie. I eventually saw the movie, and merely found it OK (much like the score). It irked him, but he was thankful I saw it. There have been a million SAND PEBBLES threads over the years, but I can't remember where this particular encounter took place.

Always the disdain, eh, Thor? It's not enough that folks are enjoying the thread. YOU don't like the score.

NEXT!


He's entitled to his opinion but Thor's comment as it is adds absolutely nothing to the discussing except diversion and the usual "I said so and so 6 years ago in a different thread". I mean, who cares, really?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2021 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hey, it added plenty. A condensed view of my story with this film and score. I'm not about to retype everything I've done in previous SAND PEBBLES threads. I just wish I remembered the one thread where I had my bout with the late RoryR.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2021 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey Ron, I'm taking a page (thread?) out of Thor's book and post this old link as I took TSP "challenge" and..oh you know roll eyes...

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=9577&archive=1

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

THE SAND PEBBLES by Jerry Goldsmith is one of my favorite film scores. I also think it is a very good movie.
While I am usually quite fond of re-recordings and I enjoy the Varèse re-recording of the score for its excellent excellent sonics (the best sounding THE SAND PEBBLES for sure), in this case, that re-recording is no match for the original soundtrack recording, neither in performance but even more so in content, as some of the finest pieces of music Jerry Goldsmith ever wrote were not on the re-recording, especially not his original overture. I always thought that odd, as Goldsmith included it on the original soundtrack LP release back in the day, much like he included his original Main Title on the ALIEN LP instead of his revised film version. I guess when Varèse did the re-recording, they wanted to have the overture that was eventually used.

I originally missed the Varèse release of the original soundtrack recording of THE SAND PEBBLES, I traded it with someone (probably from this board... for IIRC THE WIND AND THE LION, of which I had an extra copy) years ago.

Anyway, for me, at the heart of THE SAND PEBBLES was the relationship between the characters played by Richard Attenborough and Emmanuelle Arsan, and the music Goldsmith wrote for this relationship (which he also used in his original overture) is completely absent from the re-recording, yet is among the most moving music Goldsmith ever wrote. So that's why that recording is not quite up to par in my opinion, even though I enjoy it a lot for what it has to offer.

There is also an excellently recorded suite conducted by Nic Raine on Tadlow's THE BLUE MAX album, which includes Goldsmith's original overture.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 11:23 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

There have been a lot of love songs written for films over the years, but I have never heard a better one than "And We Were Lovers". Hauntingly nostalgic, sad, evocative. I particularly love Andy Williams' vocal version, which uses some of the same orchestral effects as we hear in Goldsmith's soundtrack instrumental presentation of the theme, but I understand that Matt Monro also recorded it (and Shirley Bassey and probably many others as well) and some here have mentioned that his is their favorite. No arguments from me about preferences. It is my favorite Goldsmith song by a long shot, and the Leslie Bricusse lyrics are top drawer.

 
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