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 Posted:   Sep 21, 2021 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


if you prefer the Surround versions then I would recommend even better the SACD editions that came out on Vocallion Dutton label in UK...



I've only listened to the Dolby Surround CDs in stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2021 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

SURPrised nobody's mentioned the Close Encounters suite! I'm not usually into re-recordings but that was PHENOMENAL

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2021 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

The Waxman and Newman are my faves.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2021 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

It's impossible to choose: almost every album has a stand-out piece that I just adore.
The Waxman album has "The Creation of the Female Monster" that is better than the original.
The Newman has that amazing "Conquest" from "Captain from Castile' AND the on-fire version of "Airport"
The Herrmanm has that can't-be-beat "Death Hunt"
The Korngold albums have the terrific "Sea Hawk", "Capt. Blood", and "Robin Hood" suites.
The Tiomkin has an astounding "Lost Horizon" suite.
Only the Rozsa disc lacked a powerhouse cue (IMHO). The Poydor discs conducted by Rozsa outshone Gerhardt (at least for Rozsa). And when are we going to get those on CD?

Can't. Pick. Just. One.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2021 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Different strokes for different folks. But this much is unarguable: "The Sea Hawk: The Classic Film Scores of EWK" is the album that changed music history. In 1972 Korngold was forgotten. There was virtually nothing on records except the old mono Violin Concerto. Today Korngold is standard repertory, with multiple performances of the VC and other works and many new productions of the operas. And would we have "Star Wars" without the inspiration that this record provided for George Lucas? The success of this album made the others possible. And with due respect for Gerhardt's contribution, it was George Korngold's lifelong advocacy and professionalism that made the series happen.

Just this time, I'll risk repeating myself. Without "The Sea Hawk" there's no Gerhardt series. There's no Rozsa Polydor series. There's much less of a Korngold revival. Possibly -- this is a stretch -- there's no "Star Wars" with a Korngoldian swashbuckling score. It's the most important album in the history of film music.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2021 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Primo   (Member)

Different strokes for different folks. But this much is unarguable: "The Sea Hawk: The Classic Film Scores of EWK" is the album that changed music history. In 1972 Korngold was forgotten. There was virtually nothing on records except the old mono Violin Concerto. Today Korngold is standard repertory, with multiple performances of the VC and other works and many new productions of the operas. And would we have "Star Wars" without the inspiration that this record provided for George Lucas? The success of this album made the others possible. And with due respect for Gerhardt's contribution, it was George Korngold's lifelong advocacy and professionalism that made the series happen.

Just this time, I'll risk repeating myself. Without "The Sea Hawk" there's no Gerhardt series. There's no Rozsa Polydor series. There's much less of a Korngold revival. Possibly -- this is a stretch -- there's no "Star Wars" with a Korngoldian swashbuckling score. It's the most important album in the history of film music.



I have a hard time picking the best of the RCA Gerhardt installments, but if greatness is determined by influence, "The Sea Hawk" is the one.

Curiously, no one has thought to mention that George Korngold produced the first Korngold compilation on Warner Bros. Records back in 1962, conducted by Lionel Newman – an altogether terrific recording in and of itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2021 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Just this time, I'll risk repeating myself. Without "The Sea Hawk" there's no Gerhardt series. There's no Rozsa Polydor series. There's much less of a Korngold revival. Possibly -- this is a stretch -- there's no "Star Wars" with a Korngoldian swashbuckling score. It's the most important album in the history of film music.


"The Sea Hawk' album was released in November 1972, which would prove to be a most pivotal year in film music, with that release being preceded by the publication of Elmer Bernstein's article, "What Ever Became of Great Movie Music?" in the July 1972 edition of High Fidelity.

In December 1973, RCA released the sales figures for the first five albums in the Gerhardt series. They were:

  • The Sea Hawk [Erich Wolfgang Korngold] (November 1972) - 38,000 copies
  • Now, Voyager [Max Steiner] (May 1973) - 25,000
  • Captain From Castile [Alfred Newman] (August 1973) - 16,800
  • Classic Film Scores for Bette Davis [Various] (September 1973) - 17,190
  • Elizabeth and Essex [Erich Wolfgang Korngold] (October 1973) - 9,500

    Not a lot by pop standards of the time, but probably more than most classical recordings. And those figures certainly dwarf most releases produced by our specialty labels over the last 30 years.

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     Posted:   Sep 22, 2021 - 3:52 PM   
     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

    Yes, and that bespeaks George's lifelong dedication to his father's legacy and to the larger world of good music. All of us have complained about the deficiencies of the catalog and pledged to support worthwhile projects. But very few of us have made a career in service to those goals. George was both record producer and music editor for films. His experience in both industries is what enabled him to make things happen.

    Incidentally that Warner Bros. album could not have made much money. In 1963, when I started buying records, it was already out of print, though still listed in the Schwann catalog. A number of sales people recalled it as a treasurable item but were unable to turn up a copy. So that album was not a breakthrough. George had to nurture his dreams through the Reader's Digest projects of the 1960s.

     
     Posted:   Sep 22, 2021 - 4:02 PM   
     By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

    Incidentally that Warner Bros. album could not have made much money. In 1963, when I started buying records, it was already out of print, though still listed in the Schwann catalog. A number of sales people recalled it as a treasurable item but were unable to turn up a copy. So that album was not a breakthrough. George had to nurture his dreams through the Reader's Digest projects of the 1960s.

    One cool thing about this album - it was recorded in August 1961, the month I was born. Sort of heralded me into the world!

    Finally picked up a copy a few years ago. Really a strong record in its own right, even if not a success on the order of the '72 Gerhardt album, which again, I also love. And the only disc in my collection, I believe, with the month and year of my birth right on the cover.

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2021 - 1:10 AM   
     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

    I only own the Tiomkin album in its SACD incarnation on Dutton Vocalion. I love it!

    Does anyone know of any reason not to get the remaining Dutton Vocalion SACD's, and the David Raskin album to boot?

     
     Posted:   Sep 24, 2021 - 12:20 PM   
     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

    Thread bump. Same question.

     
     Posted:   Sep 24, 2021 - 1:00 PM   
     By:   EdG   (Member)

    No reason. They’re fantastic. I would point out that the Dutton releases are taken from the quad masters, not the two channel masters, so the mixes are slightly different. In a 5.1 setup the quad effects can be striking and well-done. The Tiomkin album is the best at showcasing an excellent quad mix. I’m not sure but I think the Dutton stereo tracks are fold downs from the quad mixes.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 24, 2021 - 1:25 PM   
     By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

    I never picked up the Empire album but a friend of mine raved about it at the time. Was it really that good? It’s on Apple Music so I’m tempted to download it, but really hard to see how it can improve on the OST

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 24, 2021 - 5:54 PM   
     By:   Howard L   (Member)

    Ya know, this thread illustrates what they call an embarrassment of riches. Keep going, guys. Holy cow. cool

     
     Posted:   Sep 25, 2021 - 2:09 AM   
     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

    I never picked up the Empire album but a friend of mine raved about it at the time. Was it really that good? It’s on Apple Music so I’m tempted to download it, but really hard to see how it can improve on the OST


    Well, five of the 13 cues are taken from Williams' own concert version sheet music, including "Han Solo and the Princess." Instead of cutting away abruptly as in the movie, "Han" has a more natural and satisfying resolution. I love it. Gerhardt is my go-to guy for Star Wars music.

    John Williams praised Gerhardt very highly in the liner notes too, and he says he was thrilled with this recording of TESB. You don't get a better endorsement than that. smile

     
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