Mmmh...makes me wonder ....why is that not a rip off..but all Horners stuff is for a lot of folks Or in other words..at what level of similarity is something a rip off...an inspiration...a hommage ...etc.? A couple of days ago I posted THE HARVEST vs. Saint Saens...this is always being labeled as a"inspired by"... I was amused of Horners interview snippet about GLORY.How the director temp tracked it with Carmina Burana...in this case he ( Horner ) did what was asked of him...so was he asked by all the directors to use basically passages by others cause they temp tracked the pieces? I mean he does it masterful and I highly enjoy his music.I always wonder when I will stumble upon the inspiration for KRULL...seems pretty original to me so far...but lets see....
Well..everybody is standing on a giants shoulder I guess...so doesnt really do any difference.
It's the same music (perhaps with some minor changes), though it's not a rip off, it's.....just the same music. When you make a new recording of a piece of music, you don't call it a rip off....because it's the same music.
Ah ok...so its labeled on the soundtrack recording " inspired by or composed by Carl Orff "..didnt know that. I aslo think he did it as a homage , cause of the nature of the movie...and the voice over which resembles Spacek´s in Badlands One should lable it though accordingly within his composition and recording. If thats the case ..I´m fine.
That was actually down to the TV series ONLY FOOLS & HORSES, which used the Orff music to score the evil child offspring named (appropriately) Damien, thus making 'normal' people think it was THE ACTUAL music from THE OMEN.
I mean he does it masterful and I highly enjoy his music.I always wonder when I will stumble upon the inspiration for KRULL...seems pretty original to me so far...but lets see....
There are a couple of distracting Prokofiev moments in Krull for me, just like the actual quote of Alexander Nevsky he throws in during the battle in the Mutara Nebula in Wrath of Khan. Or the very Prokofiev-like sections in Land Before Time. And the main fanfare and theme in Krull seem related to Brahms and Schumann - though not as directly as the heroic theme in Willow, which is more or less a direct steal from Schumann's Rhenish symphony.
The thing is, Horner is such an accomplished composer himself that his borrowings really do become part of his own texture. And (I've said this before) he's squarely in the 1970's and 80's idiom of collage composing, bringing in music that is taken from or modelled on earlier music - from George Rochberg and Berio to Schnittke and John Adams.
On the other hand, Glory is too Carmina Burana-like for me - keeps me from enjoying the score on its own terms.
Great post Sean thanks...and not only because I feel it the same way as you When something is too close to the original...I just cant get a grip to it...it always feels like " Well I rather wanna listen to the original".That's the case with GLORY. But I must admit,- cause I'm far from a Horner or any other composers basher..-,.he does it so skillful and sometimes manages to change single notes, that it sounds (in parts) even more appealing.Like his RED HEAT Main Title for example.
Ah ok...so its labeled on the soundtrack recording " inspired by or composed by Carl Orff "..didnt know that.
The piece attributed to Orff above was originally composed by the lutenist Hans Neusidler, in the 1500s. So maybe Orff should have labeled the work "inspired by or composed by Hans Neusidler".
But... Orff didn't even have anything to do with arranging the version of that piece that is attributed to him. That was done by Gunild Keetman, as part of the many arrangements done by her for Orff's Schulwerk collection.
So Orff's credit could read "Inspired by or composed by Hans Neusidler and adapted by Gunild Keetman, and utilized by Carl Orff and then by Terrence Malik, and further borrowed by Hans Zimmer".
@Thor...no...discussions are wandering...and its the same topic so to speak..wether its Horner..Zimmer..or any other Filmmusican. And its not about picking on any of them...for I like 'em all..some more ..some less...
Ah ok...so its labeled on the soundtrack recording " inspired by or composed by Carl Orff "..didnt know that.
The piece attributed to Orff above was originally composed by the lutenist Hans Neusidler, in the 1500s. So maybe Orff should have labeled the work "inspired by or composed by Hans Neusidler".
But... Orff didn't even have anything to do with arranging the version of that piece that is attributed to him. That was done by Gunild Keetman, as part of the many arrangements done by her for Orff's Schulwerk collection.
So Orff's credit could read "Inspired by or composed by Hans Neusidler and adapted by Gunild Keetman, and utilized by Carl Orff and then by Terrence Malik, and further borrowed by Hans Zimmer".
