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The one including "The Genesis Cave"? I feel like another short cue was meant to be there too, but am too lazy to grab the CD and check the booklet.
It was "Kirk in Space Shuttle."
That would solve the problem of that being a discrete track. It also seems to point to it being recorded separately from The Eels.
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Hmm. Potential track separation for this release? Wouldn't mind being able to jump immediately to 'Kirk in Space Shuttle'.
That conjoined track bothered me for years. One you'd like to skip is stuck in front of one you want to hear. I finally edited it myself, and thankfully there's no cross fade, so the "Shuttle" cue turned out perfect.
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If you look at Tyrell closely, he's actually mouthing 'What about the child?"
Woah, that's cool. I never knew that
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Hmm. Potential track separation for this release? Wouldn't mind being able to jump immediately to 'Kirk in Space Shuttle'.
That conjoined track bothered me for years. One you'd like to skip is stuck in front of one you want to hear. I finally edited it myself, and thankfully there's no cross fade, so the "Shuttle" cue turned out perfect.
Yes, thankfully the way it was recorded, it might as well be two entirely separate cues.
I did the same thing with "Klingons" from Search for Spock. Separating the Klingon music from the starbase arrival scene.
Apparently a common practice. Well, "common" meaning "two of us did it".
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The Ceti Alpha V scene is VERY craftily reedited to hide the child. There is a lot of dialogue cut and scenes cleverly rearranged to hide the existence of the child, which was a wise decision given how long it would cause the sequence to go on and how hokey the whole thing comes across (especially when the kid randomly wanders onto the Reliant transporter at the end of the movie; just the extant still makes me cringe). Pay attention when Chekov and Terrell are walking up to the cargo carrier; there's a fade out/in edit covered by the sand animation that cuts the viewing of the child from the porthole. You can still faintly hear the child at 1:41 in the link provided by Solium (I think we're meant to think its the Ceti Eel). Then the jumbling, well done I must say, occurs.
*Terrell and Chekov look around. The items in the carrier are used for transition purposes and the associated dialog is cut.
*We then cut to a still of the checkerboard that, when you dwell on it, makes no sense. This covers for the removed footage of Chekov discovering the child.
*Terrell and Chekov continue to look around, especially at the eels (likely out of order with the script). Note Terrell's mouth isn't or is barely moving when he says "What the hell is that?" At this point, Terrell is obviously bent down looking at the eel. This makes the point two down work...
*We then cut to Chekov finding and looking at the Botany Bay seatbelt. The editing tries to hide the fact that they're in a second chamber. We're meant to think Chekov has just moved forward when really he and Terrell had already moved forward, discovered the child, and Chekov got up to keep exploring. This scene starts, in the movie, when Chekov has gotten up to keep looking.
*And then when Chekov tells Terrell they have to leave, Terrell is still bent down. We're meant to think he's examining the Ceti Eel, as he was two points ago, but he's actually on the ground examining the child, who has been cropped out (or was never in frame in the first place).
Its always struck me, though could be proven wrong, Horner scored a completely locked version of this picture and therefore scored nothing but what was released to theaters (save the epilogue which was a hasty redo).
Here is how the scene was to play out in the script:
14 EXT. SURFACE CETI ALPHA V 14
A YELLOW PLANET, in constant SWIRLING HURRICANE WINDS
OF SAND. Terrell and Chekov materialize. Their VOICES,
filtered, are hard to make out.
With the TRICORDER to guide them, they set out...
TERRELL
Are you sure these are the
coordinates?
CHEKOV
Captain, this is the garden spot
of Ceti Alpha VI --
TERRELL
I can hardly see --
15 SEVERAL ANGLES 15
The difficult search, the men leaning into the wind --
16 TERRELL 16
is ahead of Chekov on a slight rise --
CHEKOV
There's nothing, let's go --
17 ANGLE 17
Terrell waves him frantically forward. As Chekov
moves up, we rise with him to the top of the ridge and
look down.
18 ANGLE - THEIR POV 18
A RUINED SERIES OF MAN-MADE STRUCTURES, half buried in
sand. They look at each other in consternation. Chekov
is worried; something about all this is familiar.
They descend towards the structures, now seen to be the
wreckage of some sort of space craft.
They pass but do not notice the FEDERATION LOGO, half
buried next to their feet.
TERRELL
They look like cargo carriers...
As Chekov looks at the porthole, a face suddenly looks
back! It is the face of a CHILD! The Apparition
scares the daylights out of Chekov -- and us. He
screams.
TERRELL
(continuing)
What is it?
He comes clumsily over --
CHEKOV
A face! I saw -- it was like a
child --
He points. The porthole is empty.
TERRELL
You're crazy -- !
CHEKOV
I saw it -- !
TERRELL
There's an air-lock.
He points and they go into the airlock.
19 INT. CARGO HOLD 19
Terrell and Chekov enter, dumbfounded. THEIR POV.
Someone lives here -- there are beds, food, all jury-
rigged -- but no people. Terrell checks a monitor.
TERRELL
There's breathable atmosphere in here.
He takes off his helmet; Chekov likewise.
TERRELL
(continuing)
What the hell is this? Did they
crash? Where's the rest of the
ship?
They wander as they talk, picking up objects that be-
speak a fairly sophisticated ad hoc environment: a
laboratory in one hold; a kitchen; A LARGE SAND TANK
filled with disgusting CETI EELS.
ABRUPTLY A SOUND -- They start: CHILD'S GURGLE.
CHEKOV
(terrified)
I told you! I told you I saw a --
TERRELL
Ssssh!
They start looking. They enter a new chamber --
20 KHAN'S QUARTERS 20
On its side in the sand: the walls are now the floor,
etc. All in crookedness -- like its owner. On the
floor, smiling at them (i.e., the wall) is a BABY.
Tentatively they come over to it, looking around --
21 ANGLE - CHEKOV'S POV 21
Lethal-looking odd swords on one wall, a bookshelf;
CAMERA PANS by 20th Century volumes; MOBY DICK, KING
LEAR, THE HOLY BIBLE -- and a seat belt dangling with
the name on it -- Botany Bay.
Chekov mouths the words, softly at first, then aloud --
CHEKOV
Botany Bay -- oh no!
TERRELL
(examines the child)
What's the matter -- ?
Chekov runs, tries to get his helmet on, tries to drag
Terrell --
CHEKOV
Captain, we've got to get out of
here -- now! Damn! Hurry!
Terrell catches his urgency --
TERRELL
But the child --
CHEKOV
Never mind! Hurry!
===
and later at the end of the movie:
===
KHAN
(continuing)
To the last I will grapple with thee!
Painfully, with one good arm, he starts arming the
Genesis console.
213A INT. RELIANT TRANSPORTER ROOM 213A
There sits the Genesis torpedo: lights start blinking
in response. As we watch, the CHILD we met on Ceti Alpha
walks to the torpedo and smiles at the lights.
===
A good bit of psychology is used here. If you watch the picture with the sound off, the Genesis device is nothing more than a brightly lit prop with studio fog coming out of it. None of this changes as Khan is arming it. The sound effects (plus a dynamite musical-dramatic sense by Horner in suddenly taking the music uptempo and volume with Khan’s theme when the cut to the shot of the device occurs) create the illusion of it powering up and given how bright the light is, it makes it make sense in your head. Therefore, it was super easy to cut away before the child walks onto the pad without any loss of sense of the thing powering up.
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I guess that wasn't as well known amongst Trekkers as I thought it was. Other deleted Trek films stuff for those who may not know:
"Star Trek V: The Final Frontier"
Never mind "What does God need with a starship?", what did God need with giant rock men? They fought giant rock men and it apparently looked bad so they cut it from the film, but if you look carefully at one point during the film, you can see a rock man sliding away after getting hit.
"Star Trek: Generations"
At one point of the Duras sisters asks Soran about if Geordi said anthing, and Soran smirks and says, "His heart wasn't in it."
Then we later get a line about Borg nonoprobes being in Geordi's body.
Well, there was a deleted torture scene where Soran injects Goerdi with them and stops and starts his heart. I speculated years ago -- before seeing the scene -- that it was probably scored, and sure enough, the deluxe edition of the score (also released by GNP Records) had a cue for that torture scene.
SCENE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI3U18GnwT8
In fact, there's another deleted scene worth bringing up. When Data's chip apparently malfunctions and he rises up from the floor to mention it to Geordi, what you don't see in the finished film is that Data actually had a gripping seizure that went on longer than you'd think it would.
SCENE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nUIOebaOL0
In fact, there was a whole deleted sequence that would have opened the film, where Kirk is orbital skydiving...
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