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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2021 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

A Den Beauvais illustrated comic series explored that. Incredible colour airbrushed artwork befitting the subject.

That sounds really cool. I looked up some of his ALIEN artwork and it's pretty spectacular. I'll have to check this out!

For me, I never had an issue with the prospect of exploring the origin of the Space Jockeys. Heck, they probably bumped into them by accident just as we did to them.

I suppose I never minded the possibility of learning more about the space jockeys. They were also incorporated into the 90s books, but even then they were left pretty shadowy figures and went largely unexplained. So they certainly could be explored further. But as you say, turning them into humans wearing elephant suits is about as satisfying a payoff as an M. Night Shyamalan ending.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2021 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I had assumed that the either the Space Jockey had stumbled upon the Xeno “nest”on that rock, much as Jeyl said, or that a Jockey had gotten infected with a queen somewhere else and crash-landed on that planetoid. Wasn’t that ship too small to have a cargo hold vast enough for all those eggs? After all, the ship was sending a warning signal instead of a distress call, wasn’t it?
Thor, I get your point about Scott making a great Ridley Scott/Alien film, but IMO, he’s had two more shots at that so far and neither has been close to great. I said “Please make the film the FANS want” and that really means “I” want; not all that David BS.

It’s a fascinating premise that the Xenos were created as a weapon, but really – if the intention was for them to be used against humans on Earth, wouldn’t they be just about the LEAST efficient method of extermination? And what about "collateral damage"? We know that they can use other animal life forms for gestation and propagation, so wouldn’t they have also wiped out a vast proportion of all living creatures on Earth as well? So the "Engineers" are worse than the humans they intend to deliver the Earth from...

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2021 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This is why we didn't need to know the backstory of the Space Jokey, Aliens or the Derelict.



I'll sum it up for you. The best movies leave you with a bit of mystery.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2021 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

This is why we didn't need to know the backstory of the Space Jokey, Aliens or the Derelict.
I'll sum it up for you. The best movies leave you with a bit of mystery.


Thanks, Solium, the vid looks to be a good one, but perhaps a bit long for now. I'll watch it at some point.

I get your point about some things best beling left unknown and I'm ok with that.
However, weren't we teased that we were going to be told the backstory? If so, then let's have it and we can go from there. Honestly that might be a no-win situation for Scott.
Or did I mistakenly jump to that conclusion on my own?

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2021 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I'll sum it up for you. The best movies leave you with a bit of mystery.

I'd like to think that the best movies also contain a bit of character and a well executed story. And it's not enough that your story has mystery, but how exactly that mystery compliments the story. The last thing you want is to make the mystery overshadow the story that it becomes a distraction (i.e. The JJ Abrams' 'Mystery Box' approach).

The key ingredient that I believe made the mystery element of ALIEN work was that they made these answers unknowable. The more you know about something, the less scarier it is. And the best tool the writers had in making these lack of answers work was by having the crew of the Nostromo know as much as the audience does. There is no 'cut to another scene', no flashbacks or voice over to help explain what is going on. We know what they know and the lack of answers isn't bothersome because knowing where the xenos came from isn't going to help stop it from killing them.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2021 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

However, weren't we teased that we were going to be told the backstory?

Ridley Scott has been teasing that since his original commentary track for the Laser Disc edition of ALIEN back in the 1900s. He's had two movies to explore this very subject and all we got was David and his fingering antics.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2021 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

However, weren't we teased that we were going to be told the backstory?

Ridley Scott has been teasing that since his original commentary track for the Laser Disc edition of ALIEN back in the 1900s. He's had two movies to explore this very subject and all we got was David and his fingering antics.


I like Ridley as the artist, but he really does shovel some bull, and while he has made lots of mistakes, one of his biggest is trying to make Alien deep and "explore that universe".

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2021 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I like Ridley as the artist, but he really does shovel some bull, and while he has made lots of mistakes, one of his biggest is trying to make Alien deep and "explore that universe".

Exactly this. With each addition, he only subtracts.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2021 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There was a time when directors cared about making great inventive films. Now they just want to run their own franchises.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2021 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

There was a time when directors cared about making great inventive films. Now they just want to run their own franchises.

Good point, Solium!
I think Lucas and Scott are examples of directors that had to make films under less than the desirable conditions than they'd have preferrred - particularly budget-wise. Then, after their films were big hits with the financial rewards, there was the mindset of doing it again, if you will, only this time, the way they originally wanted but were unable financially the first time around. Thus the "obsession" with getting their vision on screen as it was meant to be.
Trouble is, a director can get lost in the weeds in putting out what they want versus what the fans want. Sometimes those two concepts are the same, but not always. Is one right and the other wrong? I dunno, but if you make the film you want and it bombs, then maybe you didn't make the film your fans wanted and they rejected it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2021 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ jackfu- Some of our best work as creators comes from practical limitations and time constraints. And yes, its easy for a creator to get all to flamboyant about their work once they have all the time, money and resources in the world to diddle around with their "masterpiece".

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2021 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Yup, exactly

Lucas had to even go back and tamper and 'improve' his older SW films when he was later swimming in oceans of money.
You cannot even get the 'not improved' versions of the early SW films on blu.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2021 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Mifune KICKS ASS!

That is all.


"I'm not dying yet! There's a bunch of guys I have to kill first."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2021 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

"I'm not dying yet! There's a bunch of guys I have to kill first."

The best line in the best film from both Mifune and Kurosawa.

Possibly the best line in all of cinema.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Yup, exactly

Lucas had to even go back and tamper and 'improve' his older SW films when he was later swimming in oceans of money.
You cannot even get the 'not improved' versions of the early SW films on blu.


HATE those added scenes they look so tacky - especially Jabba in New-Hope waiting for Solo, that was an ugly idea - maybe that was the 1st glint of its down-fall. Glad that I have the trilogy on VHS!

I know 100% that Alien has no pulling-power today - & its unforgivable going back too what I know from day one, that's what David is crawling forward.

I'd be delighted if Ridley worked a sequel for Gladiator - but sadly that went off the record + his directing skills I use too admire, now its plain more bland, pity but true!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

"I'm not dying yet! There's a bunch of guys I have to kill first."


Oddly enough, I think Mifune was my favorite Macbeth.

 
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