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 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Apple announced today that starting this June it will offer it's catalogue in lossless quality. Adding it will support Dolby Atmos for newer recordings. With Apples spatial audio, the benefits of these recordings will also be available for Apples headphones (which works great, I can tell you).

No word if Apple Music member who also uploaded their cd's (like me) will be able to stream these in lossless quality. That certainly would be amazing.

Full press release here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/05/apple-music-announces-spatial-audio-and-lossless-audio/

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Wow - welcome to 1983.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

No word if Apple Music member who also uploaded their cd's (like me) will be able to stream these in lossless quality. That certainly would be amazing.

That's what I would want to know too, although I would have to re-import everything in lossless since they have so far automatically converted lossless to 256k AAC or something, in the cloud.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

double post

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

No word if Apple Music member who also uploaded their cd's (like me) will be able to stream these in lossless quality. That certainly would be amazing.

That's what I would want to know too, although I would have to re-import everything in lossless since they have so far automatically converted lossless to 256k AAC or something, in the cloud.

Yavar


I *really really hope* that it'll update them automatically if your harddrive with the lossless files is still attached.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

TRULY lossless, or converting lossy mp3 files into higher-res formats?

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

TRULY lossless, or converting lossy mp3 files into higher-res formats?

Why in the world would they do that? Because they want to use significantly higher server space and bandwidth for no purpose other than the negative publicity when this scheme was revealed, which it would be almost instantly?

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

TRULY lossless, or converting lossy mp3 files into higher-res formats?

Why in the world would they do that? Because they want to use significantly higher server space and bandwidth for no purpose other than the negative publicity when this scheme was revealed, which it would be almost instantly?


What makes you think that Apple has received their entire inventory in hi-res formats? Is it not possible that certain albums - especially more obscure titles from obscure labels - have provided Apple only with mp3 files?

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It's fairly shocking that these guys are so behind the curve, with every other service now providing lossless and hi-res files as a matter of course, not to mention CD (the format that Apple set out so veremently to destroy) which has been delivering lossless music for almost 40 years!

But then it was never about the music, it was about cornering the market.

Never owned an Apple product and never will.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Thank you most kindly for the unsolicited insult.

Quite right. Shame on me. I have removed it from my post, but obviously only you can do it from yours.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

TRULY lossless, or converting lossy mp3 files into higher-res formats?

Why in the world would they do that? Because they want to use significantly higher server space and bandwidth for no purpose other than the negative publicity when this scheme was revealed, which it would be almost instantly?

Just picking the most cynical possible interpretation of everything isn't a sign of a sophisticated mind, no matter how much one might pretend.


Thank you most kindly for the unsolicited insult. What makes you think that Apple has received their entire inventory in hi-res formats? Is it not possible that certain albums - especially more obscure titles from obscure labels - have provided Apple only with mp3 files?


Nope.....

labels have either delivered either 16/44 files or. in the last few years have received 24 bit files

So there really shouldn't be any issues.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Tevose   (Member)

It's fairly shocking that these guys are so behind the curve, with every other service now providing lossless and hi-res files as a matter of course, not to mention CD (the format that Apple set out so veremently to destroy) which has been delivering lossless music for almost 40 years!

But then it was never about the music, it was about cornering the market.

Never owned an Apple product and never will.


I wouldn’t say that CD is “lossless” music. It’s a compressed medium itself. These files will go beyond CD quality as I’ve read.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Tevose   (Member)

No word if Apple Music member who also uploaded their cd's (like me) will be able to stream these in lossless quality. That certainly would be amazing.

That's what I would want to know too, although I would have to re-import everything in lossless since they have so far automatically converted lossless to 256k AAC or something, in the cloud.

Yavar


The Verge has confirmed that this lossless feature is exclusive to Apple Music (streaming), and will not be coming to the iTunes Store for purchasing, or replacing any purchased tracks and such.

So, with this in mind, I highly doubt they will allow users to upload their own lossless tracks into the cloud with the current method of transcoding them into 256 AAC for mobile playback — unfortunately.

iTunes Match is what allows customers to benefit from having these available on all devices, and with the confirmation that the iTunes Store versions of songs, which iTunes Match utilizes due to not containing any DRM, not featuring lossless, there’s little hope this will happen.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I wouldn’t say that CD is “lossless” music. It’s a compressed medium itself. These files will go beyond CD quality as I’ve read.

There is a difference between compressed and lossless. A FLAC is compressed and lossless. An MP3 is compressed and lossy.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks for clarifiying for me, Tevose.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The Verge has confirmed that this lossless feature is exclusive to Apple Music (streaming), and will not be coming to the iTunes Store for purchasing, or replacing any purchased tracks and such.

Inbelievably poor. I recommed Tidal and Qobuz instead.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)


iTunes Match is what allows customers to benefit from having these available on all devices, and with the confirmation that the iTunes Store versions of songs, which iTunes Match utilizes due to not containing any DRM, not featuring lossless, there’s little hope this will happen.



I don't think so. First of all, iTunes Match is part of a Apple Music membership, so it could participate in the quality bump. Second, iTunes Match also ables me to add music that isn't available in iTunes. I can rip any La-La Land CD and listen to is via my iTunes cloud. Being able to uploadt hat as AAC isn't that farfetched.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Nope.....

labels have either delivered either 16/44 files or. in the last few years have received 24 bit files

So there really shouldn't be any issues.

Ford A. Thaxton


Well, that's a leap of faith that I'm not willing to take. I'm sure that Sony/BMG and EMI/Universal do this, but I'm thinking about some of the smaller indie labels.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Quite right. Shame on me. I have removed it from my post, but obviously only you can do it from yours.

Thank you, and removed.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Nope.....

labels have either delivered either 16/44 files or. in the last few years have received 24 bit files

So there really shouldn't be any issues.

Ford A. Thaxton


Well, that's a leap of faith that I'm not willing to take. I'm sure that Sony/BMG and EMI/Universal do this, but I'm thinking about some of the smaller indie labels.


you had to deliver 16/44 in order for ANY DIGItAL SERVICE iTunes,spotify,etc right from the start

In the last few years they have accepted 24 bit files.

This goes from my label to SONY/BMG etc...


Ford A. Thaxton

 
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