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 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

This thread arrived at the same time Yavar was soliciting questions on the topic of challenges with 24-bit digital releases for his upcoming Goldsmith podcast, so I thought it was related. Guess I misunderstood!

I'm not presuming to ban discussion points in an open thread, just to focus the discussion here on the positives of these developments in regard to music availability.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Some labels, such as Deutsche Grammophon, are very transparent not only about their internal process but also the damns they give about making sure the quality is delivered to their audience. Yes, it would be great to hear more from others about their level of commitment to this.


Excellent point in an excellent post; I wanted to name Deutsche Grammophon as well, since I got a number of their high-res downloads (such as the recently released piano concerto by John Adams).
Most of the high-res recordings I have so far are from classical labels such as DG.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

This thread arrived at the same time Yavar was soliciting questions on the topic of challenges with 24-bit digital releases for his upcoming Goldsmith podcast, so I thought it was related. Guess I misunderstood!

I'm not presuming to ban discussion points in an open thread, just to focus the discussion here on the positives of these developments in regard to music availability.


No worries - I've already learned about new releases and retailers that I didn't know about before so I'm sure there will be a lot more to learn when the discussion gets back on track.

Are there any other retailers that haven't been mentioned here yet? And do any retailers sell the same soundtracks or are they exclusive to single retailers?

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You may find some useful info in this thread:

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=142767&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Just because Qobuz says that something is "CD Quality" or "Hi-res" does not mean that it is not a vinyl rip, as I learned the hard way when I purchased "Murderers' Row."

I am all for downloads, but I also believe in truth-in-packaging principles.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

What do people think of pricing? Per track is insane at 7Digital but whole albums are competitive with CD pricing.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Just because Qobuz says that something is "CD Quality" or "Hi-res" does not mean that it is not a vinyl rip, as I learned the hard way when I purchased "Murderers' Row."

I am all for downloads, but I also believe in truth-in-packaging principles.


I agree with you 100%. More is not possible.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

I've purchased several high-def downloads. I have no objection, but I would say from personal experience and very critical listening that there is no improvement over standard cd *unless* the high def download is a newer and better mastering than the old cd master. Then you're enjoying the benefit of a new mastering rather than the increased sampling.

I purchased a download of a new recording of Charles Ives' symphonies with the LA Philharmonic and a few months later bought the cd. To my ears, they're identical. Only with a computer can an analysis reveal the difference. Certainly it's an open question whether the premium price is justified over a disc release. The files are more convenient and easier to store, and I think there is a slight improvement over .mp4 files (certainly there is improvement over .mp3) but not over a disc played on a mid-price cd or Blu-ray player.

I think a good test is to compare formats using a very new acoustic recording (such as jazz or classical) with a mid-size to large ensemble. It's a better reveal of the details of a good recording than something electronic or amplified where lots of engineering trickery can mask a bad mastering.

Of course, as mentioned above, the files themselves are another question. It's abundantly clear that many of the tracks distributed to HD audio retailers by the labels are simply cd-resolution tracks encoded in a high-def container. That's a fairly easy thing to detect with software. It's like making a super high definition scan of an old black and white photo: you don't lose anything, but you're not gaining anything either.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2021 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

A whole lot of links in the chain before those waves get to tickle your inner ears.

Unless you are listening on state of the art headphones, and your player is utilizing a superior DAC, how many other things are there that can potentially negatively impact the audio experience?
Are your speakers set up properly?
Are the speakers decent to begin with? Are they ruthlessly neutral or do they color everything with a particular brand sound?
How is the room you are listening in? Is it tuned properly too? How is the noise floor?

Just because Qobuz says that something is "CD Quality" or "Hi-res" does not mean that it is not a vinyl rip, as I learned the hard way when I purchased "Murderers' Row."

I am all for downloads, but I also believe in truth-in-packaging principles.


And this is why I'm satisfied 99% of the time with 16/44 cd quality.

If it's a newer production of recent recorded material I might splurge on the higher res version, but it's rare and -with nothing else to compare it to- it's probably more of a psychological placebo effect as anything else.

Once in a while I don't mind though.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2021 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   solohead   (Member)

Times are changing and digital download or streaming is the inevitable media for distribution.

I had shelves of vinyl.. then shelves of cassettes.. then shelves of CD’s.. now an uncountable amount of music in my itunes. (and boxes of ripped CD’s rotting in the attic).

itunes was a tough concept initially to accept. I was used to taking a cd or a mix CDR in the car. Letting go of the physical and embarrassing the virtual. Much the same as with musical instruments transitioning to virtual software emulations.

But at a base level, the most important thing is not collecting or the physical aspect of the CD delivery medium.. but the music. Equally the ability to listen to your music whenever the fancy takes you and in any environment.

In the soundtrack world we are blessed that the specialty labels continue to release such niche products often at great expense to them or individuals.

On the digital side first and foremost for the purpose of archiving, it should be done at the highest resolution possible from the best source available. From there it’s a call for the producers of how to best present the material.

CD sound is limited but adequate. Hi Rez needs to be a standardised format that humans can actually hear and playback equipment can conform to / take advantage of.

With so many variables with peoples ears, the equipment and environment the considerations should be:

To the majority, is there a discernible increase in listing fidelity and pleasure?
Are the size of the files practical for storage / streaming?
Does the mastering conform to some kind of standard.

Lastly I’d question the pricing. Without manufacturing / distribution costs what is reasonable for a Hi Rez album download? High prices increase piracy – though with something that has no tangible value / re-salability or copy protection.. the high prices could be a way for the honest to supplement the dishonest.

It’s a complex proposition, but pragmatically in soundtrack world, the music preservation / availability seems to be the top priority over the distribution medium.

 
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