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 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

That looks nice for the image. But, the text is hard to read.

The image is 1874 x 1604 px. Open it in a new tab or window for full size.


True. But, that won't change the size of the CD back cover, or increase the contrast between the font and the background image.


Oh, I won't disagree. The only viable solution would be to lower the saturation of the image and opt for a more vibrant text color as such:

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks. smile Basil was the most detailed griper in this thread it seemed to me, so I was curious if he preferred the "good old days" when, you know, the film music labels really respected the physical format or whatever he was going on about.

Not that I don't care at all about design; I wish every piece of soundtrack graphic design could be as amazing as Jim Titus's usual work. But I also don't let it bother me, even when the packaging design is as disappointing as the LLL expanded editions of Bad Girls or The Edge. I'm in this for the music, foremost, and I think "the least the labels can do" (as Basil put it) is keep releasing CDs at all, hopefully with no errors in the masters themselves. I'm very happy when on top of that they can also provide us with thoughtful and interesting liner notes booklets, and the last thing of all that I care about is the packaging design, which doesn't affect my enjoyment of the music at all. And really most of the time I'll only see it as a thin little spine on my shelf. These aren't LPs where I'm going to display the big pretty art or anything.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

That looks nice for the image. But, the text is hard to read.

The image is 1874 x 1604 px. Open it in a new tab or window for full size.


True. But, that won't change the size of the CD back cover, or increase the contrast between the font and the background image.


Oh, I won't disagree. The only viable solution would be to lower the saturation of the image and opt for a more vibrant text color as such:




Yeah, that's it! Good work, Spinmeister! smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

The rear artwork seems an extraordinary thing to get agitated about. Unless it's something like Varese's Cruel Intentions compilation of John Ottman, where the text is blue on a very slightly different shade of blue, it's way down on the list of dealbreakers. The new Lionheart rear cover, as pictured several posts earlier, is fine: it's functional, it does exactly the job it's supposed to do. Because we never look at the rear inlay across the full width of a computer monitor, I just shrunk that "new" alternative artwork down to the size of an actual CD rear inlay and the text is entirely illegible, rendering it entirely useless for its sole practical purpose.

I've just had a look at the back of the original Lionheart Volume 2 and it's similar to the back of Volume 1 except it's dark text on white.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Just as a reminder, the official:



If optimum legibility is what is sought, optimum legibility is what is pursued. So, no room for the likes of a Mr. Stoltz, I'm afraid.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Plus, Mr. Stoltz is by far the worst part of the movie so I’d rather not be reminded of him, thank you very much. His Little Women costar Gabriel Byrne as the Black Prince (who as the antagonist is probably the best part of the movie) would have been more acceptable to me. smile

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

It's the definition of "workmanlike".
The medieval font and the marble background are attractive, that's for sure.
I'm buying the CD anyway!...

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   michaelbean510   (Member)

Goodness. We've made it to 32 pages of misery here on FSM and this 1500 or 2000 edition Goldsmith still hasn't sold out.

Having never seen the film, I fell in love with this score from the Philharmonia Orchestra Suites & Themes disc. Then maybe 15 years ago I managed to find a used copy of the Volume 1 album, and the beauty of it got me to hunt down the film. I got a cheap laserdisc off ebay. I was aware of the low reputation it had, and it was everything I'd been warned about smile

Watching the movie actually lessened my enjoyment of the score back then, but now I've forgotten most everything about it.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Watching the movie [Lionheart] actually lessened my enjoyment of the score back then, but now I've forgotten most everything about it.

Lionheart's motley medieval mess always had me wondering what that presumptive Verhoeven/Goldsmith "Crusades" might have looked and sounded like.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

All this talk about the back cover - which is absolutely fine....

The stills from the movie, inside the booklet, aren't of the highest resolution or quaity or colour. It's likely Varese simply didn't have any decent art to work with, other than the original album covers - which look lovely.

The real problem lies around the side....!

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Watching the movie [Lionheart] actually lessened my enjoyment of the score back then, but now I've forgotten most everything about it.

Lionheart's motley medieval mess always had me wondering what that presumptive Verhoeven/Goldsmith "Crusades" might have looked and sounded like.


That's a good "what if" question, assuming that Verhoeven didn't decide to switch over to Poledouris for that proposed Crusades movie. If it has been Goldsmith scoring, I think it's projected production schedule would have placed it further into the 90's, so it might have been closer in tone to FIRST KNIGHT, THE EDGE or 13TH WARRIOR, i.e. diminished synth elements and greater emphasis on traditional orchestral sonics.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2021 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Lionheart's motley medieval mess always had me wondering what that presumptive Verhoeven/Goldsmith "Crusades" might have looked and sounded like.

That's a good "what if" question, assuming that Verhoeven didn't decide to switch over to Poledouris for that proposed Crusades movie.



Paul Verhoeven would have probably hired Basil Poledouris:

https://cnmsarchive.wordpress.com/2015/01/28/paul-verhoeven-on-basil-poledouris/

"Will you hire Basil again?
Yes, sure, but not for every movie. I have always tried to work with a couple of photographers and a couple of composers; I feel one is more suited for this movie and one is better for another movie. For THE CRUSADES, for example, Basil would be an excellent choice."

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2021 - 12:32 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The rear artwork seems an extraordinary thing to get agitated about. Unless it's something like Varese's Cruel Intentions compilation of John Ottman, where the text is blue on a very slightly different shade of blue, it's way down on the list of dealbreakers. The new Lionheart rear cover, as pictured several posts earlier, is fine: it's functional, it does exactly the job it's supposed to do. Because we never look at the rear inlay across the full width of a computer monitor, I just shrunk that "new" alternative artwork down to the size of an actual CD rear inlay and the text is entirely illegible, rendering it entirely useless for its sole practical purpose..


Yes, I prefer the actual back cover too. The one with the picture looks tacky. And as you point out, not very legible behind a plastic jewel case and shrunk and printed to size. I like the new Varèse back cover the way it turned out.

 
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