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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: Morricone & Nicolai Falling Out     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 11:49 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) So now that both Bruno and Ennio have shed this mortal coil, is it possible that we will ever learn what precisely led to the falling out between these two? Or are we less likely to know, since the two major participants are no longer with us?    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 12:49 PM     By:   Prince Damian   (Member) From what I've heard over the years was that Nicolai was supposed to go round EMs house, while he and his family were on holiday in Bognor. He failed to do so and as a result the cat, Don Frescobaldi,was without food for a number days. As the house was very tidy,there weren't even any mice for it to catch. It survived but would have convulsions if it so much as heard his name. So they parted ways for the cats sake.    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 12:53 PM     By:   MusicMad   (Member) Damian, I think your delivery of this post is 10 days overdue ...    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 1:10 PM     By:   Prince Damian   (Member) Damian, I think your delivery of this post is 10 days overdue ... Probably second class at least.    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 1:33 PM     By:   DS   (Member) I imagine if anybody alive knows for sure what happened, that they were asked to keep it close to the vest. Over the years, the rumor I've heard was that Nicolai, uncredited, composed part of a Morricone score that became famous. Occasionally contributing to one another's scores uncredited is something Nicolai and Morricone are believed to have done. Anyway, the rumor goes that Nicolai later demanded royalties for the work he apparently composed uncredited that became famous (a cue? a theme?). Morricone apparently disagreed that Nicolai had written it, and this led to a conflict and eventually their split. I'm guessing there are other versions of this story out there with minor differences, but this seems to be the gist of the rumor. No clue if there is even a scintilla of truth to any of this.    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 2:02 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) I imagine if anybody alive knows for sure what happened, that they were asked to keep it close to the vest. Over the years, the rumor I've heard was that Nicolai, uncredited, composed part of a Morricone score that became famous. Occasionally contributing to one another's scores uncredited is something Nicolai and Morricone are believed to have done. Anyway, the rumor goes that Nicolai later demanded royalties for the work he apparently composed uncredited that became famous (a cue? a theme?). Morricone apparently disagreed that Nicolai had written it, and this led to a conflict and eventually their split. I'm guessing there are other versions of this story out there with minor differences, but this seems to be the gist of the rumor. No clue if there is even a scintilla of truth to any of this. Interesting. Many thanks! I guess if anyone alive knows the truth, they may be more open to revealing it now.    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 3:18 PM     By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member) See, Onya? You're unable to place the lid back onto the box and all CDs of Morricone & Nicolai are falling out.    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 3:26 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) See, Onya? You're unable to place the lid back onto the box and all CDs of Morricone & Nicolai are falling out. So I caused the falling out?!? FOR THE WIN!!!    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 3:43 PM     By:   brofax   (Member) The book, "In His Own Words", in conversation with Alessandro de Rosa explains all. According to Ennio it was nothing at all like what is being suggested here or in the media over the years and their friendship was sacrosanct to the end but you'll have to buy/read the book to find out    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 4:19 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) The book, "In His Own Words", in conversation with Alessandro de Rosa explains all. According to Ennio it was nothing at all like what is being suggested here or in the media over the years and their friendship was sacrosanct to the end but you'll have to buy/read the book to find out I have the book, and I have read it, but I don't trust it.    Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:58 PM     By:   Morricone   (Member) Well here is our dialogue, with a lot of interesting contributions, from quite a few years back. https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=41330&archive=1 As you can see I was pretty prejudiced toward one side. And from everything I learned since then....I am even more prejudiced. Contributing to this is the following: 1. Bruno Nicolai's reputation as a conductor is dazzling. I have found more conducting credits than are listed in IMDB. He conducted for most major composers of the time PLUS, besides Morricone, for a time he was THE conductor for Carlo Rustichelli and Fiorenzo Carpi (the composer who contributed to the riff between them). Conducting credits are spectacular including with Nino Rota on both ROMEO AND JULIET and WATERLOO. Nothing in his composer credits could approach them. Morricone's rep was based on a ton of arranging, conducting and composer assignments for RCA and other record labels. Pretty much both start their film careers began at the same time. 2. Both Bruno Nicolai and Ennio Morricone did not give a lot of interviews in those early years but when asked about the break-up Morricone went on and on on how HE was the wronged party including suggesting that Nicolai encouraged him into saying there were collaborations where there were none. He never elaborated into details. On the other hand Nicolai's reaction was always (in an MSV interview and Gemelli label promotion interview) "no comment." This is really strange for me because 3. Nicolai's career went south after the break-up. Even his dazzling conducting career disappeared while Morricone's chugged right along (including edgy films like THE IRON GOVERNOR and HITCH HIKE). Now if I were the wronged party I would stand up and make my case, especially if my career was at risk. But no, Bruno decided to take a few declining assignments and then spent the rest of his career promoting his label selling old scores. I didn't get it then and don't get it now.    Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 8:43 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Well here is our dialogue, with a lot of interesting contributions, from quite a few years back. https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=41330&archive=1 As you can see I was pretty prejudiced toward one side. And from everything I learned since then....I am even more prejudiced. Contributing to this is the following: 1. Bruno Nicolai's reputation as a conductor is dazzling. I have found more conducting credits than are listed in IMDB. He conducted for most major composers of the time PLUS, besides Morricone, for a time he was THE conductor for Carlo Rustichelli and Fiorenzo Carpi (the composer who contributed to the riff between them). Conducting credits are spectacular including with Nino Rota on both ROMEO AND JULIET and WATERLOO. Nothing in his composer credits could approach them. Morricone's rep was based on a ton of arranging, conducting and composer assignments for RCA and other record labels. Pretty much both their film careers began at the same time. 2. Both Bruno Nicolai and Ennio Morricone did not give a lot of interviews in those early years but when asked about the break-up Morricone went on and on on how HE was the wronged party including suggesting that Nicolai encouraged him into saying there were collaborations where there were none. He never elaborated into details. On the other hand Nicolai's reaction was always (in an MSV interview and Gemelli label promotion interview) "no comment." This is really strange for me because 3. Nicolai's career went south after the break-up. Even his dazzling conducting career disappeared while Morricone's chugged right along (including edgy films like THE IRON GOVERNOR and HITCH HIKE). Now if I were the wronged party I would stand up and make my case, especially if my career was at risk. But no, Bruno decided to take a few declining assignments and then spent the rest of his career promoting his label selling old scores. I didn't get it then and don't get it now. This is interesting. Thank you!    Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 1:00 PM     By:   riotengine   (Member) I've long been curious about their falling out. I guess we may never really know the true story. Greg Espinoza    Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 2:37 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) I've long been curious about their falling out. I guess we may never really know the true story. Greg Espinoza We can hope that there are others who may know, but who kept their mouths shut while one or both of the parties were still alive. Maybe someone will spill the beans now.    Posted:   Apr 14, 2021 - 3:10 PM     By:   Totoro   (Member) I heard that they both believed that Earth was flat and, while searching for its end, fall out of it.    Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 12:56 AM     By:   Ag^Janus   (Member) Bandits In Rome anyone?    Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 10:02 AM     By:   paulhickling   (Member) My, my. Some wonderful pots on here today. Like most I love 'em both. And it just so happens I started watching A Sky Full of Stars For A Roof today, fresh from Italy on a German Blu ray. It's taking some doing to be honest. But this thread has spurred me on!    Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 10:26 AM     By:   Prince Damian   (Member) I heard that they both believed that Earth was flat and, while searching for its end, fall out of it. ' Off it'.    Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 11:53 AM     By:   Totoro   (Member) I heard that they both believed that Earth was flat and, while searching for its end, fall out of it. ' Off it'. Yeah, but them it won't make sense with the thread's title!    Posted:   Apr 15, 2021 - 12:11 PM     By:   Prince Damian   (Member) I heard that they both believed that Earth was flat and, while searching for its end, fall out of it. ' Off it'. Yeah, but them it won't make sense with the thread's title! Don't accept imposed limitations!     General Discussion: Morricone & Nicolai Falling Out    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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