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The saddest people on earth...are obit dumpers.
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Apr 10, 2021 - 3:16 AM
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Mark
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In saying that, I didn't mind the old fella. He did ones bit and had a bit of humour about him, and slightly mad. It probably takes that. I remember a woman relating what he'd said to her at some function. She was wearing a dress with a long zip all the way down the front and he said, "if I pulled that zip down, I should probably be arrested." Gives me a chuckle every time I see one of those dresses. Many of the supposedly racist things he said are just examples of a particular kind of humour. Most of his 'victims' would have taken it in that manner too. There's an equality there that is not present in the modern idea that certain people require cossetting and protection. Admittedly, he strayed over the line of taste once or twice. I'd certainly prefer more of his type than the pious, po-faced, middle class bleaters who condemn him. "strayed over the line of taste"...... I love that. It seems you are fine with casual racism and sexism, particularly when it makes you laugh . I wonder at what point you would take offense or stand up to racism or sexism? I think you also miss the overall point that I was making, ie that the fawning media. and obviously a few of you guys on here, are fine with racism and sexism whrn it comes from someone that they like but not from other people and this should not be glossed over or prettied up (as it has been) when addressing his legacy. As Kehinde Andrews, Professor of Black Studies at Birmingham City University, said...... "He was a throwback to old-school racism. Painting him as a benign, cuddly uncle of the nation is simply untrue," "When he says things about Chinese people's eyes and chucking spears, it's very ugly and would not be tolerated anywhere else nor from anyone else,"
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"Mark," My life is improved by putting you on ignore. Shoulda done it ages ago.
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Apr 10, 2021 - 5:18 AM
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TheAvenger
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In saying that, I didn't mind the old fella. He did ones bit and had a bit of humour about him, and slightly mad. It probably takes that. I remember a woman relating what he'd said to her at some function. She was wearing a dress with a long zip all the way down the front and he said, "if I pulled that zip down, I should probably be arrested." Gives me a chuckle every time I see one of those dresses. Many of the supposedly racist things he said are just examples of a particular kind of humour. Most of his 'victims' would have taken it in that manner too. There's an equality there that is not present in the modern idea that certain people require cossetting and protection. Admittedly, he strayed over the line of taste once or twice. I'd certainly prefer more of his type than the pious, po-faced, middle class bleaters who condemn him. "strayed over the line of taste"...... I love that. It seems you are fine with casual racism and sexism, particularly when it makes you laugh . I wonder at what point you would take offense or stand up to racism or sexism? I think you also miss the overall point that I was making, ie that the fawning media. and obviously a few of you guys on here, are fine with racism and sexism whrn it comes from someone that they like but not from other people and this should not be glossed over or prettied up (as it has been) when addressing his legacy. As Kehinde Andrews, Professor of Black Studies at Birmingham City University, said...... "He was a throwback to old-school racism. Painting him as a benign, cuddly uncle of the nation is simply untrue," "When he says things about Chinese people's eyes and chucking spears, it's very ugly and would not be tolerated anywhere else nor from anyone else," Prince Philip comes from a time when not everyone had a hissy-fit over the use of mildly derisive expressions. That didnt make him a racist, just rather insensitive to modern sensibilities. You cite, what, three examples of him making inappropriate comments, spread over a period of years. You don’t provide any evidence of actual racism whatsoever but like Tall Guy says, you chose to focus on those few things rather than all the many, many positive things Philip was responsible for. And before you accuse me of endorsing “casual racism” let me just say that the race card is deployed so readily these days that it is impossible to distinguish actual bigotry from nothing more than name calling or, as is the case with Philip, a few ill-considered comments. Let me illustrate that by saying, for example, that Lewis Hamilton insists he was the subject of bullying at school, citing that he was called racist names. Well guess what? I was bullied at school and called names, and often beaten up. and why? Because I loved movies and movie music and was rubbish at sport. Those kids who did it weren’t anti-movies, they were just picking on me because that’s what bullies do. Is it justified? Absolutely not. Did it scar me for life? Not in the slightest. And for the record I have never once considered that the bullies who were of colour (or whatever today’s non-offensive term is, since apparently BAME is now disliked) we’re doing it because I was white. Actual racism is totally unacceptable. The odd stupid comment by an old man who actually achieved a huge amount in his life isn’t racism.
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Apr 10, 2021 - 5:51 AM
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Mark
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In saying that, I didn't mind the old fella. He did ones bit and had a bit of humour about him, and slightly mad. It probably takes that. I remember a woman relating what he'd said to her at some function. She was wearing a dress with a long zip all the way down the front and he said, "if I pulled that zip down, I should probably be arrested." Gives me a chuckle every time I see one of those dresses. Many of the supposedly racist things he said are just examples of a particular kind of humour. Most of his 'victims' would have taken it in that manner too. There's an equality there that is not present in the modern idea that certain people require cossetting and protection. Admittedly, he strayed over the line of taste once or twice. I'd certainly prefer more of his type than the pious, po-faced, middle class bleaters who condemn him. "strayed over the line of taste"...... I love that. It seems you are fine with casual racism and sexism, particularly when it makes you laugh . I wonder at what point you would take offense or stand up to racism or sexism? I think you also miss the overall point that I was making, ie that the fawning media. and obviously a few of you guys on here, are fine with racism and sexism whrn it comes from someone that they like but not from other people and this should not be glossed over or prettied up (as it has been) when addressing his legacy. As Kehinde Andrews, Professor of Black Studies at Birmingham City University, said...... "He was a throwback to old-school racism. Painting him as a benign, cuddly uncle of the nation is simply untrue," "When he says things about Chinese people's eyes and chucking spears, it's very ugly and would not be tolerated anywhere else nor from anyone else," Prince Philip comes from a time when not everyone had a hissy-fit over the use of mildly derisive expressions. That didnt make him a racist, just rather insensitive to modern sensibilities. You cite, what, three examples of him making inappropriate comments, spread over a period of years. You don’t provide any evidence of actual racism whatsoever but like Tall Guy says, you chose to focus on those few things rather than all the many, many positive things Philip was responsible for. And before you accuse me of endorsing “casual racism” let me just say that the race card is deployed so readily these days that it is impossible to distinguish actual bigotry from nothing more than name calling or, as is the case with Philip, a few ill-considered comments. Let me illustrate that by saying, for example, that Lewis Hamilton insists he was the subject of bullying at school, citing that he was called racist names. Well guess what? I was bullied at school and called names, and often beaten up. and why? Because I loved movies and movie music and was rubbish at sport. Those kids who did it weren’t anti-movies, they were just picking on me because that’s what bullies do. Is it justified? Absolutely not. Did it scar me for life? Not in the slightest. And for the record I have never once considered that the bullies who were of colour (or whatever today’s non-offensive term is, since apparently BAME is now disliked) we’re doing it because I was white. Actual racism is totally unacceptable. The odd stupid comment by an old man who actually achieved a huge amount in his life isn’t racism. I actually agree with a lot of what you say, particularly with regards to Lewis Hamilton, and I never thought I would ever quote a Master of Black Studies, or whatever that guy was. But I do not agree that the quotes (and I gave three, I could easily have quoted a lot lot more) are not examples of racism. They clearly are. Does that mean he is a racist.... I don't know. But you can only go by what a person says and does. To ignore what someone says or pretend it's OK because it's nice old Prince Philip is wrong and extremely hypocritical of the media to do so. To refer to the Prince's comments as "ill considered" is doing what the media are currently doing, and what prompted my original post, in brushing over something thst really should be taken more seriously when looking back at his long life, in which he undoubtedly did some good.
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