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Apr 2, 2021 - 12:05 AM
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Dana Wilcox
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Not being a high-toned jazz aficionado, I missed the (referenced but unelucidated) flaws in the series as per SeƱor Birri, and found the series interesting enough (though not my favorite of his works). The best of Ken Burns, for me, include: The Roosevelts, The National Parks, The Civil War and Country Music, all of which I thought were particularly well done. If there is some problem with Jazz, well, I guess nobody's perfect, but it seems unfair to be so dismissive of his efforts on the basis of a single production. His younger brother, Ric Burns, is an accomplished documentarian as well, having produced New York, a great PBS series, and co-produced The Civil War with Ken among other things. In any event, I too am glad he's not dead, and am looking forward to his upcoming production about Hemingway, beginning on PBS in the next week or so.
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If there is some problem with Jazz, well, I guess nobody's perfect, but it seems unfair to be so dismissive of his efforts on the basis of a single production. Well, as a documentarian, maybe Burns could have done his homework in advance and seen what he was getting himself into by swallowing the Marsalis/Crouch line, which clearly pushed an agenda. In particular, cramming 1960 to 2000 into a single installment did not at all serve the subject well at all. Perhaps Mr. Burns knows his stuff, and simply disagrees with you. Shocking as that might be. This appears to be a highly subjective pov either way, so neither of you is "right" actually. Seems unlikely that Burns is entirely a dolt, and he may well have approached the subject with a well-formed viewpoint on the matter based on his own interest and experience. I'm not suggesting that you do not speak knowledgeably, but it's hard to imagine one as accomplished and well-regarded as Burns stumbling into such a subject without having his ducks in a row. Not buying the "he didn't do his homework" bit. Just sayin'!
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Apr 3, 2021 - 12:00 AM
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Dana Wilcox
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Perhaps Mr. Burns knows his stuff, and simply disagrees with you. Shocking as that might be. This appears to be a highly subjective pov either way, so neither of you is "right" actually. Seems unlikely that Burns is entirely a dolt, and he may well have approached the subject with a well-formed viewpoint on the matter based on his own interest and experience. I'm not suggesting that you do not speak knowledgeably, but it's hard to imagine one as accomplished and well-regarded as Burns stumbling into such a subject without having his ducks in a row. Not buying the "he didn't do his homework" bit. Just sayin'! I don't think that Burns knew jack about jazz. He just fell for the Marsalis/Crouch line. If I can find the article where he admitted as much, I will post a link. No need to post your link, because even if you are correct about Mr. Burns' level of knowledge going in, we are left ultimately with the core question: Who knows more about jazz, Marsalis or Birri? I can imagine how you would answer, but...really? Burns should have consulted with Birri instead of Marsalis? I'll be a monkey's uncle!
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Who knows more about jazz, Marsalis or Birri? I can imagine how you would answer, but...really? Burns should have consulted with Birri instead of Marsalis? Um, nowhere in the thread did I suggest that I be consulted. Perhaps Mr. Wilcox should consider sharpening his reading comprehension skills. Perhaps Mr. Birri should consider thinking through the logical implications of his assertions. Implicit in his critique is that he knows better than Marsalis what should have been covered in Ken Burns' documentary. His suggestion about improving my reading comprehension, however constructively offered, sidesteps the dispositive question here, as first stated: Who knows more about jazz, Marsalis or Birri? The answer to that question is obvious, and effectively concludes that particular conversation, as there is nothing more to be said. No disrespect intended, just sayin'...
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Perhaps Mr. Birri should consider thinking through the logical implications of his assertions. Implicit in his critique is that he knows better than Marsalis what should have been covered in Ken Burns' documentary. His suggestion about improving my reading comprehension, however constructively offered, sidesteps the dispositive question here, as first stated: Who knows more about jazz, Marsalis or Birri? The answer to that question is obvious, and effectively concludes that particular conversation, as there is nothing more to be said. No disrespect intended, just sayin'... A pathetic attempt at a save. Your inference is not my implication. * All men are mortal. * Socrates is a man. * Dana Wilcox is a man. * Dana Wilcox is Socrates. Sorry. The correct answer is: Marsalis.
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