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 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

Probably opening a big hornet’s nest here but I see this phrase used by certain members and it keeps popping up.

If you are genuine lovers and enthusiasts of a particular score why would you miss out on hearing it digitally just because there is not a cd release?

I love CDs and would much prefer there to be a physical release (and include that as easily obtainable/affordable) but sometimes they are ‘digital’ only or are physical releases long out of print or just too expensive.

What prompted today was the comment on the “To Olivia” thread.

Surely the music is king?

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I'm probably oversimplifying it, but I think it boils down to this:

Expressing one's own preference=safe.
Judging someone else's preference=not quite so safe.

So, we'll see how the thread goes from here.

big grin

(FWIW, I personally prefer an actual CD, but I well-know that the times they are a-changin'. I am adjusting to compensate.)

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Their loss.

Don't sweat it.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

I was initially resistant to downloads, more because Apple applied DRM to the tracks and they were relatively low bit rate, plus it did weird things like sometimes the metadata would revert back to how it was when it was downloaded. However, now I can buy from a number of online stores, almost always in lossless or pretty high bitrate MP3 (7 Digital or HD Tracks for soundtracks and Presto or Chandos for classical), I've pretty much got over my aversion to downloads. I can download in FLAC, convert to Apple Lossless so iTunes likes it (I know, I know...) and amend the metadata as needed once it's imported. I have my hard drive backed up a couple of times, hard drives are super cheap these days and there's plenty of decent backup software available for not much money (I don't much like Time Machine, but if you have a Mac, it's included).

The only downside is that most soundtracks don't come with and kind of liner notes. However, the classical labels produce high quality ones in PDF that you can just save to your computer. It's a bit frustrating that lossless options are often massively more expensive than MP3. On 7 Digital, it's usually around a 20/25% markup. For Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, the MP3 is £14 and the FLAC is £22 which strikes me as pretty unjustifiable (and one reason why I'm reluctant to buy it). The markup for FLAC on Presto classical is similar, but from a lower base; most albums, even new ones, come in at £6/7 for MP3 and £8/9 for FLAC.

I'd happily buy lossless downloads of all the expanded/re-releases from LLL, Intrada, Quartet with a decent PDF of the booklet, especially if it meant they were around for longer. A bit of a shame that the contractual shenanigans required seem to preclude this unfortunately. I'm lucky that where I am, there's no import duty or other tax which many suffer, but downloads get round this side of things... not to mention the savings on a postage. From the US to anywhere outside the country seems to incur a cost of at least the price of another album or two in shipping. I know I'd rather spend that on another album than a box, much bubble wrap and a flight!

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

As someone who grew up playing LPs (some pressings were total shit, no matter how many copies I tried) and also took ownership of tape dubs of recording sessions and promos/private pressings etc, the music IS the king.
Of course I preferred clean sound and flawless copies, but if the choice was something less or nothing, the former was always preferred AND appreciated.
CDs are my favourite format and I've grown to love them most.
But yes, times move on.
If I want to acquire some digital only music, I will access it by some means (it helps having a mate who 'gets' me stuff).

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

If a CD isn't forthcoming and there is a demand then some unscrupulous people will make a bootleg of it and release it. This has happened recently with Soderqvist's score for THE LAST VERMEER. Released digitally only by Lakeshore. No CD. A couple of weeks a bootleg appeared on Ebay from a guy in Poland who often produces expensive boots. Ebay turn a blind eye to it. The CD sold for approx £20

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

I can understand the preference for CDs because I share it. However a great deal of music - especially for older film and tv titles - is long out of print on physical disc but is readily available from the digital services. Fewer and fewer companies every day are bothering to press physical discs at all for a variety of reasons including customer choice and the quality of the downloaded files has greatly improved in the past few years. Frankly all of my CDs have been ripped into iTunes and I listen more often that way than to the actual discs.

I'll take a CD when I can get it - especially if offered by one of our wonderful film music labels - but I'm not going to pass up a chance to listen to incredible music because it didn't arrive in the mail. Your mileage may vary.

(The only format I truly despise is LP. Can't stand them and I had them back in the day.)

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I'm a "no CD no sale" guy, but I don't slam the board with it in every thread.

In the streaming age, I think my view has evolved a bit (though not my position). I don't stream music, but I do stream video. And since I don't want to miss out on watching something that's reasonably priced, and I'm already paying for, I'm okay paying $15/month for access to a wide range of content that rotates and adds new material all the time.

Music is a different story. Because streaming film music either doesn't exist (don't know) or just isn't a prominent scenario like Netflix, digital music defaults to an ownership situation rather than access. And if I'm going to own an album, it needs to be a hard copy. With a hard copy, I can buy it new or used many years later without concern about the license expiring; I can lose the CD and find it again later; I can create my own digital files and re-rip the disc if needed; I'm guaranteed a booklet, tray card and artwork; I can have the ritual experience of "putting on an album;" and I can get it all for less than 0.99 per track. Often far less. With digital, the opposite is true in every respect.

The music is king, but it's not the only consideration. Especially when it means giving up a tremendous value I've enjoyed for decades. If digital music comes down to about a nickel per track, I can forgive all the value and do downloads. I'd feel like I was paying for drive-thru fast food, but at least it would be an appropriate investment.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Never say never but at present I have more.than enough cds to last me the rest of my life. So missing out on one or two downloads isn't going to kill me. Anyway, most 'no CD' applies to new stuff, which is mostly shit. The quality lies in the.older.stuff which usually gets a little shinny.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

The music is king, surely, but for me it's like having a book in a great edition (CD) or having it on A4 paper as a copy (downloads). The text is the same, still, the whole experience is totally different. I have a couple of scores downloaded but never listen to them - unless I make a CD-R copy smile

I guess it probably has to do something with age and habits as well: I have always had physical copies of every albums since childhood: first as LPs (never really liked them) or on tapes, later on CDs. The same with books: I only like to read a book when it is a regular book, e-books do nothing for me.

While I admit its advantages (no shipping fees, no need for more space on the shelf) digital files are not concrete, touchable products and I need those to have a "complete" experience.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

No CD = No sale. It's simple. Score release = CD release. If not, I don't buy. Spotify and YT are for free. Don't feed labels for streaming ! Pay them for physical media only!

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'll always choose physical media over digital. But if its only available digitally and I really want the score I'll purchase a download. Best way to support our beloved labels is to continue to purchase physical media.

I don't agree with the merits of digital. Digital music costs about the same and takes up as much HD space as CD's take up shelf space. One HD crash and you lose all of it. Yeah, yeah, do back ups. But really how many ppl do that in practice? Unless your house burns down your physical media is safe.

There's no guarantee streaming services will hold onto the title in perp. Studios constantly censor/alter movies and television shows nowadays I see a future where music is censored or removed altogether. Another reason to hold onto the physical medium.

My motto however is ONLY ON LP, NO SALE!

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Yeah, fuck vinyls too.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

If I want a score but it's download only, I'll buy it and burn it to CDR. I will never have music files stored on a PC only, that's utterly boring.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)


I have only 1 double-album I bought on purpose as a digital download because the CDs are very rare and very expensive if a copy was even available. I would still buy the CDs for a reasonable price.

I also have a couple of digital albums given out as downloads as a special promotional thing.

But I will otherwise likely pass on something that is digital download only.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

I second Keky's thoughts word for word. I must be too old by now but to me music has nothing to do with computers, unless I have to duplicate something. I like to play a record and not files. That's why I see the future as pretty difficult in terms of getting the music I like. I can understand though that younger generations see it differently.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I won't be buying those expensive new score vinyls either, like YOUNG GUNS and TRUE ROMANCE, two albums I would have bought on CD.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm a "no CD no sale" guy, but I don't slam the board with it in every thread.

But some people's disappointment comes across as aggressive disapproval. In this case (the Olivia thread), it was Lokutus with a big thumbs down, even though there's nothing objectively wrong with a lossless digital release. People frequently rip their cds to digital or burn to cdrs so they don't accidentally harm their original.
However, our soundtrack labels don't seem fond of offering digital downloads (except BSX and Varese).

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Once again, a tiny subculture expects the world to bend to its whims.

 Posted:   Feb 21, 2021 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Once again, a tiny subculture expects the world to bend to its whims.

Leave my whims alone,

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