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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This is the other:

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

Although in terms of buying, I find myself more influenced by artwork for classical music. Sometimes it’s a dull (or awful) picture of the conductor or soloist (or both) or something abstract or a painting that somehow reflects the music or era or subject. Some labels have their standard designs, notably Naxos which I find does make their stuff seem less appealing with all the white space although it’s much more attractive now than it used to be. Similar for BIS (which as I may have mentioned before) is my favourite classical label. Their older releases had horrible thick black borders enclosing a small picture or painting. Plus with awful large white text. Fortunately they have changed and now feature much more attractive artwork mixing the usual pictures of the artist or other appealing artwork.

I agree, for classical I think there's more room to be influenced by the artwork since classical music doesn't always have a specific image to start from unlike pop albums, or soundtracks.

You might enjoy this video essay I made on the subject: https://youtu.be/cceF-cJdDB0

I've bought my fair share of classical albums based on the artwork alone.


Exactly, especially 20th century classical music where they sometimes tie it to modern art that somehow reflects the style of the work. Thanks for the link, I shall check it out! I've certainly been persuaded to buy one album over another based on artwork, even though it's probably a ridiculous reason! Although very few that I have been disappointed as a result...

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

I agree, for classical I think there's more room to be influenced by the artwork since classical music doesn't always have a specific image to start from unlike pop albums, or soundtracks.


Nothing can turn me off to a classical album more than a cover photo of a dour-looking artist wearing a tuxedo.


Agreed! There seems to be a specific period, maybe the 70s, where they were especially terrible. My favourite set of Brahms' symphonies is James Levine at the Chicago Symphony, but the picture of him on the front is deeply unappealing... I'm not trying to cast aspersions on his appearance, but the photos don't exactly flatter.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

Oops DP... although I can replace the DP with saying that those Rite of Spring covers are great. Does pretty well for artwork. Although I don't own either of those amongst the 11 versions I have!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Nothing can turn me off to a classical album more than a cover photo of a dour-looking artist wearing a tuxedo.

Agreed! There seems to be a specific period, maybe the 70s, where they were especially terrible. My favourite set of Brahms' symphonies is James Levine at the Chicago Symphony, but the picture of him on the front is deeply unappealing... I'm not trying to cast aspersions on his appearance, but the photos don't exactly flatter.

Yeah, I instinctively go for the 1950s and 60s covers with modernist art. The artwork generally started to get more austere in the 1970s.

But there are some great 70s covers, like that string quartet album on Columbia with the modern minimalist cube-shaped structure at sundown. Do you know the one I mean? I can't recall the artist, and I can't find via image search.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

I'm not saying I only bought and continue to enjoy this album because of the cover.

But I'm not NOT saying that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I enjoy not just music, but also other arts, including painting and photography, so naturally I enjoy good album art. For my ALAC files, I have replaced some of the "correct" covers with covers from the FSM "custom cover art" thread series, because some of the fan made covers are just too good not to use.

I don't enjoy music more because of better cover art, but good cover art certainly used to make me notice a new album back in the days of when I still strolled through records stores. (Which is currently somewhat curbed because of Corona.)

I enjoy when labels are creative and put some effort into their covers. There are many classical recordings with excellent and creative covers, and even more that are just plain dull and uninspired. I mean, how many pictures do you need with Viktoria Mullova holding a violin or Nikolaus Harnoncourt brooding over something? I still enjoy these recordings -- Nikolaus Harnoncourt/Gidon Kremer have made one of the finest recordings of Beethoven's violin concerto -- but some of the covers are boring. :-)

I enjoy striking album art in the way I enjoy good book covers... it does not make the contents better or worse, but maybe you pick it up more.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This whole discussion reminds of me of a related phenomenon -- as a youngster, we used to rent VHS movies based on how cool or appealing the cover was, if we felt like exploring outside the famous names and titles. These were the days before internet, after all. That resulted in a lot of bad movie experiences, but also some good ones. But that's a different topic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I think there is a difference between cover art for pop music and for soundtracks.

For both cover art is a sales pitch. But for pop music it is the only way to visualize the concept of the music.

For soundtracks the film is the visualization, and it used to be the film poster which was the cover art for the score.

In both cases I can enjoy the music without having to enjoy the cover art. That does not make the music better or worse.

But it does influence me to buy something, definitely.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Graham, that Elmer Bernstein LP you can't remember is actually a Bill Conti LP you can't remember.
The Peppard in his coat with dog poster is for FIVE DAYS FROM HOME (later released on CD by Intrada with same groundbreaking artwork).
It's actually a friggin brilliant score by BC, featuring his lovely, lyrical style of writing honed in ROCKY (a score it shares many traits with).
I imagine BC got very rich from that soundtrack, as, if memory serves me, the theme was later re-used for a long running and successful US TV show (Lifestyles Of The Rich & Famous?).
Anyway, this has been a Public Announcement Message on behalf of the Country of Liverpool.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Ha! You're right of course, Kev. The cover was so bad that I even forgot who composed the score. Decades of averting my eyes from it. It may indeed be good music but I'll have to Frank Frazetta-ize the cover on my photo bucket before I can play it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

In both cases I can enjoy the music without having to enjoy the cover art. That does not make the music better or worse.

This does not apply to me. The cover art - and the design of the LP label - are part of the overall aesthetic experience. Lousy cover art absolutely affects my perception of the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I'm actually quite surprised, Graham, that you are (were?) so superficial in your soundtrack listening sensibilities.
How or why you never discovered the glorious Bill Conti music hidden within (underneath?) that hideous cover art is beyond me.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good tasty cover, I do, but some of my favourite music is disguised underneath (within?) the most ghastly of cover art/photo.
I don't think ONE COVER by the Eels is that fetching. And most Lee Holdridge album covers are ugly, ugly, ugly.
I've even been known to embrace much reviled cover art. I remember loving the artwork for the stomping David Newman monster music contained inside (amongst?) THE RUNESTONE.
A lot of people around here wanted to kill it with the same flaming torches used on Frankenstein.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I'm a superficial guy Kev. I don't listen to JEREMY because of the cover, but I think in that case it's because Robby Benson looks as geeky as I did at that age, and it reminds me of getting my head kicked in at school.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2021 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

In both cases I can enjoy the music without having to enjoy the cover art. That does not make the music better or worse.

That sounds like me. It was nice to have attractive cover art, but I really wanted the music even if the art was unattractive.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2021 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

In both cases I can enjoy the music without having to enjoy the cover art. That does not make the music better or worse.

That sounds like me. It was nice to have attractive cover art, but I really wanted the music even if the art was unattractive.


Yes, great cover art is nice and I enjoy it, but it is not tied to my listening experience of the music. Sometimes I just replace the cover art on my files with something that I find more suitable.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2021 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Sometimes I just replace the cover art on my files with something that I find more suitable.

Those of us who listen to LPs don't have such a convenient option. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2021 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Art is pretty, but it doesn't bother me that much the liner-notes tie in with the music - that's far more important, sometimes one might own the full-poster-art for cd or lp, I do appreciate the enlarged image or images, but again i'm not craving for it!

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2021 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Totally not off-the-wall. The artwork is part of the connection to the music, just as the motion pictures are. For me I sort of have the opposite problem from the OP: thanks to media players, I don't connect art with an album at all until it starts playing. It's just a text line. This is part of the reason I still listen to CDs as a ritual. Even the color scheme and font style (and occasional art) on the CD spine tells me what I'm picking out, just like with all physical media. Winamp and my personal (portable) media player don't do that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2021 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Totally not off-the-wall. The artwork is part of the connection to the music, just as the motion pictures are. For me I sort of have the opposite problem from the OP: thanks to media players, I don't connect art with an album at all until it starts playing. It's just a text line. This is part of the reason I still listen to CDs as a ritual. Even the color scheme and font style (and occasional art) on the CD spine tells me what I'm picking out, just like with all physical media. Winamp and my personal (portable) media player don't do that.


Mine show the album art; on the go, I just use my smartphone to listen to music, and album art is shown.

I am actually surprised that Winamp doesn't show album art?

 
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