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 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I have noticed a number of scores that are out of print, or never on CD, that are available as hi-res downloads from Qobuz.

Many of these are also available in a less expensive CD-quality resolution.

Among the albums I have purchased from Qobuz are:

Murderer's Row - Lalo Schifrin
The Marseille Contract - Roy Budd
The Internecine Project - Roy Budd

Hi-res downloads are getting to be an increasing attractive option, as the the out-of-print CDs go for too much money, and as I continue to run out of shelf space.

Is there any interest in using this thread to keep track of rare or out-of-print titles that are now available?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Others I have seen include:

The Silencer - Elmer Bernstein
A Man Called Dagger (Expanded) - Steve Allen

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

Once a download is purchased on Qobuz, do you have to play it within a special app, or can I add it to iTunes as I would most other downloaded content I've purchased elsewhere?

It sounded like 7digital requires a special app. I know HDTracks doesn't, but their selection isn't quite as robust as elsewhere yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Once a download is purchased on Qobuz, do you have to play it within a special app, or can I add it to iTunes as I would most other downloaded content I've purchased elsewhere?

It sounded like 7digital requires a special app. I know HDTracks doesn't, but their selection isn't quite as robust as elsewhere yet.


The files download to your computer, and you can do as you please with them.

Also, you are not limited to a single download. Qobuz keeps them in your purchase folder, and you can always re-download them if you lose them.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

Thanks, Onya.

Good selection and the prices seem on par with Amazon's lossy mp3s.

I'll give them a shot soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Once a download is purchased on Qobuz, do you have to play it within a special app, or can I add it to iTunes as I would most other downloaded content I've purchased elsewhere?

It sounded like 7digital requires a special app. I know HDTracks doesn't, but their selection isn't quite as robust as elsewhere yet.


Neither 7 digital or Qobuz require anything special. You pick which format you want to download, then download the files DRM free for you to do with as you want.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

"The Machinist" by Roque Banos is Qobuz. The CD goes for big bucks now.

This score is an homage to Herrmann's Twilight Zone scores, and the composer does such a good job, I thought I was hearing tracked TZ music in parts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Is there any interest in using this thread to keep track of rare or out-of-print titles that are now available?

Good idea, Onya. It would be useful to have latest info in one place.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I bought a few titles from Qobuz, excellent quality and also service. My preferred streaming service and place to buy downloads. I would never buy DRM coded files that require special apps. I don’t even listen to music on a computer.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

They have quite a few OOP titles from Varese Sarabande and Quartet Records among others.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I bought a few titles from Qobuz, excellent quality and also service. My preferred streaming service and place to buy downloads. I would never buy DRM coded files that require special apps. I don’t even listen to music on a computer.

Do you think it is safe to assume that when they say "CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1 kHz," it is truly this and not simply bumped up from mp3 resolution? I ask because they sell a number of albums that are otherwise available only as mp3s.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I bought a few titles from Qobuz, excellent quality and also service. My preferred streaming service and place to buy downloads. I would never buy DRM coded files that require special apps. I don’t even listen to music on a computer.
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Do you think it is safe to assume that when they say "CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1 kHz," it is truly this and not simply bumped up from mp3 resolution? I ask because they sell a number of albums that are otherwise available only as mp3s.



I might be interested in MURDERERS' ROW. It's never been on CD. Does it sound like CD quality to you?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I bought a few titles from Qobuz, excellent quality and also service. My preferred streaming service and place to buy downloads. I would never buy DRM coded files that require special apps. I don’t even listen to music on a computer.
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Do you think it is safe to assume that when they say "CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1 kHz," it is truly this and not simply bumped up from mp3 resolution? I ask because they sell a number of albums that are otherwise available only as mp3s.



I might be interested in MURDERERS' ROW. It's never been on CD. Does it sound like CD quality to you?


I listened to "Murderer's Row" in the background. It sounded OK, but the LP always sounded like a mess to me, at least the stereo version did. (Does it sound better in mono?)

The two Roy Budd titles that I bought sound fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   djintrepid   (Member)

Once a download is purchased on Qobuz, do you have to play it within a special app, or can I add it to iTunes as I would most other downloaded content I've purchased elsewhere?

It sounded like 7digital requires a special app. I know HDTracks doesn't, but their selection isn't quite as robust as elsewhere yet.


7digital does not require a special app. The music downloaded can be played just like those from HDtracks and Qobuz. I go between all three websites to check price and available sound file type before I purchase.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

I bought a few titles from Qobuz, excellent quality and also service. My preferred streaming service and place to buy downloads. I would never buy DRM coded files that require special apps. I don’t even listen to music on a computer.

Do you think it is safe to assume that when they say "CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1 kHz," it is truly this and not simply bumped up from mp3 resolution? I ask because they sell a number of albums that are otherwise available only as mp3s.


Reputable labels almost always upload in true CD quality. Dubious labels almost always upload dubious files, and those are not checked automatically by Qobuz. Although that is not completely different to physical copies. Some dubious labels will sell CDr/MP3 burned to CDs, etc. The main difference here is that there are algorithms that could easily check for this and I'm surprised Digital/Streaming stores don't even bother to run quality checks, or at least ban labels that routinely upload fake material.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Well, I listened a little more closely to "Murderer's Row," at a higher volume. While it claims to be an RCA "Legacy" reissue, it sure sounds like a vinyl rip to me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2021 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

I see now the problem with 7digital is it's only FLAC, which must have been where I was getting the incompatibility with iTunes. Though I would have sworn I read somethign to the effect of needing a specific app- but maybe that was simply offered as the solution to accessing FLAC on a Mac?

I know there are supposed to be much better file management/library applications out there, but most of what I have now is in ALAC and I don't really feel like installing more stuff than I need or converting a whole library when it works fine as it is.

HDtracks offers both ALAc and FLAC and it looks like Qobuz does too, so I guess I'm good to go for now.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2021 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I bought a few titles from Qobuz, excellent quality and also service. My preferred streaming service and place to buy downloads. I would never buy DRM coded files that require special apps. I don’t even listen to music on a computer.

Do you think it is safe to assume that when they say "CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1 kHz," it is truly this and not simply bumped up from mp3 resolution? I ask because they sell a number of albums that are otherwise available only as mp3s.


I think it is fairly safe to say that Qobuz does not upsample. Qobuz is very invested in establishing itself as a go to place for high quality music and caters especially to jazz and classical music lovers. They receive the files they sell directly from the publishers, and if Deutsche Grammophon presents something as CD sound or higher, it is in my opinion legit.
However, that does not prevent some lesser "labels" to provide Qobuz with upsampled files; there is no 100% guarantee. But since this could easily be found out, it would be risky for the legitimate labels (and unceccessary, as they usually have the "real deal") to risk loosing the trust of their customers.

Also, if the source material is poor -- which it sometimes is, especially when it comes to old film score recordings -- obviously, Qobuz files can't change that. Like, some releases (like the Project 3 release of BANDOLERO! or the Intrada release of SILENT RUNNING etc.) were originally mastered from vinyl, so even a high-res file from that would still sound exactly like it came from an LP. Because it did.

Last year, I bought a bunch of Ondine classical recordings from them, as they had a sale on that label, and all the files were actual high-resolution files.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2021 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I see now the problem with 7digital is it's only FLAC, which must have been where I was getting the incompatibility with iTunes. Though I would have sworn I read somethign to the effect of needing a specific app- but maybe that was simply offered as the solution to accessing FLAC on a Mac?

I know there are supposed to be much better file management/library applications out there, but most of what I have now is in ALAC and I don't really feel like installing more stuff than I need or converting a whole library when it works fine as it is.

HDtracks offers both ALAc and FLAC and it looks like Qobuz does too, so I guess I'm good to go for now.


Yes, Qobuz offers both ALAC and FLAC.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2021 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Morricone's "Senza movente," aka "Without Apparent Motive," is available in CD quality from Qobuz.

 
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