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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2021 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Sabreman   (Member)

Well, US sites such as La La Land, Screen Archives and Intrada are going to have to do something in July about adding VAT at point of sale as that's when it comes into force in the EU. Or maybe these US retailers and soundtrack labels are planning to stop selling to Europe entirely and are happy to lose their business in a market of 28 countries with a population of over 500 million people?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2021 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   paulw   (Member)

Well, US sites such as La La Land, Screen Archives and Intrada are going to have to do something in July about adding VAT at point of sale as that's when it comes into force in the EU. Or maybe these US retailers and soundtrack labels are planning to stop selling to Europe entirely and are happy to lose their business in a market of 28 countries with a population of over 500 million people?

It will depend if they can do it easily. They may say it's too hard and if the demand is small they will just ship and you sort it out at your end much the same as they do when they ship to the likes of New Zealand and Australia ..
They may be able to do it as a variant of shipping to US states that have different rates of sales tax.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2021 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Sigh, Music Box have now removed the option to combine small orders for UK residents. It is now 150 euros or nothing.

Their news item is named "Brexit Information" so don't tell me it's not related to Brexit.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Well, US sites such as La La Land, Screen Archives and Intrada are going to have to do something in July about adding VAT at point of sale as that's when it comes into force in the EU. Or maybe these US retailers and soundtrack labels are planning to stop selling to Europe entirely and are happy to lose their business in a market of 28 countries with a population of over 500 million people?

new rules for EU countries
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs-procedures/customs-formalities-low-value-consignments_en
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/guidance_on_import_and_export_of_low_value_consignments_final.pdf

It seems that the new EU rules only affect the import of goods by consumers, not companies. As there are quite a lot of soundtrack shops within the EU, the US labels wouldn't lose any business.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

I love that one of the things this has highlighted is we don't have a single proper shop for this in the UK. Not one, anywhere (discounting Varese's dedicated shop)

It reminds me of whenever I see a Support your Independent Local Bookseller! drive online, and I'm reminded that, despite living in what's supposedly a major city... I don't have one. We have Waterstones, and WH Smiths, and that's IT.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

If (and it's a big "if") US stores stop shipping to EU customers then I can see somewhere like Music Box becoming a central hub for sales of US releases across Europe. Placing an order of 2 x Intradas, 2 LLLs, a Quartet and a Music Box title, for example, is easily over that $150 threshold.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

But isn't saving up a big order with Music Box just gonna hit YOU/ME with a nice big VAT charge on top of it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

But isn't saving up a big order with Music Box just gonna hit YOU/ME with a nice big VAT charge on top of it?

Potentially, yes. Though, theoretically, centralising orders could save dramatically on postage...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

But isn't saving up a big order with Music Box just gonna hit YOU/ME with a nice big VAT charge on top of it?

Yes, but you don't have to pay the French VAT (20%). If you make an order of >130GBP, you will pay only the net price at the checkout.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

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Well, US sites such as La La Land, Screen Archives and Intrada are going to have to do something in July about adding VAT at point of sale as that's when it comes into force in the EU. Or maybe these US retailers and soundtrack labels are planning to stop selling to Europe entirely and are happy to lose their business in a market of 28 countries with a population of over 500 million people?

new rules for EU countries
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs-procedures/customs-formalities-low-value-consignments_en
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/guidance_on_import_and_export_of_low_value_consignments_final.pdf

It seems that the new EU rules only affect the import of goods by consumers, not companies. As there are quite a lot of soundtrack shops within the EU, the US labels wouldn't lose any business.


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I love that one of the things this has highlighted is we don't have a single proper shop for this in the UK. Not one, anywhere (discounting Varese's dedicated shop)

It reminds me of whenever I see a Support your Independent Local Bookseller! drive online, and I'm reminded that, despite living in what's supposedly a major city... I don't have one. We have Waterstones, and WH Smiths, and that's IT.


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Part of the problem of soundtrack collecting is critical mass of purchasers within a jurisdiction. The U.S. and E.U. may be big enough to support a shop or two, but the U.K.'s soundtrack community just doesn't appear to be big enough to support a dedicated commercial import business.

One solution might be for an existing U.K. business with an interest in media to take on the task. It makes me wonder if Silva Screen might be able to branch into being a U.K. distributor. However, there would need to be easy access to all new releases from all labels, and I don't see that happening, again due to the market being too small.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2021 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Has anyone in the UK placed an order with La La Land, Screen Archives, MovieMusic or Intrada since January 1st? If so, what happened to the order?

I did, with SAE on January 9th. It's still pending.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

2021 changes to VAT regulations in UK and EU --- from ebay.co.uk

https://sellercentre.ebay.co.uk/global-sales/2021-vat-changes

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 12:12 AM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Stamps.com told me all Monstrous Movie Music orders from the UK required I sign up for VAT. I spent about 17 hours trying to make sense of their stupid UK website. I think when I was done I had mistakenly ordered five pounds of English Breakfast Tea. What a nightmare!

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Stamps.com told me all Monstrous Movie Music orders from the UK required I sign up for VAT. I spent about 17 hours trying to make sense of their stupid UK website. I think when I was done I had mistakenly ordered five pounds of English Breakfast Tea. What a nightmare!

smile
Having searched out the website you mention, I find its description of the changes very enlightening ... surprisingly clear. Except: I'm not sure it's correct when it describes the procedure for collecting VAT, etc. on consignments over GBP135 (USD180) where it states ... will be paid to HMRC directly by the parcel consolidator, who then normally invoices the online retailer.

https://stamps.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7318/~/shipping-to-the-uk-2021

Yes, the parcel consolidator (e.g. Royal Mail) will deal with these formalities but I thought it (i.e. RM) would then levy the UK customer with these charges (plus its handling charge) in order to release to goods. I can't see RM sending an invoice to the US online retailer ...

The prior system in the UK for goods received not exempted by Low Value Relief followed this procedure.

I must admit I wait to read, in a year or so, just how much HMRC has levied on overseas online retailers for late payment of the VAT ... and how much of said fines has not been collected! smile
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

The whole thing is farcical it is starting to sound like the spamdemic itself.

Guess it is not much difference in some other ways from the past when they collected the daylight robbery taxes. Tax on how big the windows you had in your house, just another way to suppress the people.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2021 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   AJL   (Member)

As I have already written in another thread on this topic, I believe the ideal solution would be for Intrada and LaLa to join with Varese in selling their new releases through the same distributor in the UK. The cost per CD would be higher taking into account a number of factors including VAT. But the shipping costs would be negligible on small orders.

I recently ordered and received Looney Tunes in four days at a cost of only £3.50 for 1st class delivery including tracking. Without tracking it would have been only £2.00.

A perfect service for UK collectors who wish to order just one or two CD at a time.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2021 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Has anyone in the UK placed an order with La La Land, Screen Archives, MovieMusic or Intrada since January 1st? If so, what happened to the order?

I did, with SAE on January 9th. It's still pending.


Posted today, so will have to wait and see what happens at the border here in the U.K. It usually takes a couple of weeks at the best of times, so give me at least a month before asking what's happened.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2021 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

My ORVILLE CD arrived in a few days with no customs issues. X-FILES VOL 3/4 have been stuck in London since the 22nd.

My CSC order from Germany is about to ship, that's the one I'm expecting problems with.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2021 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Sabreman   (Member)

Ebay now adds 20% VAT to international orders placed by UK buyers. However, as far as I'm aware, none of the US or EU labels or retailers (such as La La Land, Screen Archives, Movie Music, Intrada) sells on ebay. In fact, the only soundtrack label or retailer outside the UK that sells on ebay (that I'm aware of) is Chris Soundtrack Corner (which goes by the unusual name 'urgana').

Unless the US retailers and labels get their act together regarding VAT, my solution will be to place large and infrequent orders over £135 with Music Box Records, and just hope the CDs I'm interested in don't sell out/go out of print between orders.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2021 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...Unless the US retailers and labels get their act together regarding VAT, my solution will be to place large and infrequent orders over £135 with Music Box Records, and just hope the CDs I'm interested in don't sell out/go out of print between orders.

You are aware that you will be responsible for paying the import duty (if any), VAT and handling change on such orders. The mere fact that you spend, say, GBP150 on CDs (+ the seller's shipping charges) does not mean that that is your total cost.

There have been several reported stories in the last week or so of UK residents buying goods (valued at more than that GBP135 figure) from overseas and being required to pay large additional fees in order to receive their purchases.

 
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