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 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Disney Unveils New Distribution Strategy That Pits Streaming Against Theaters

Kareem Daniel has been at Disney for 14 years. Starting at the company as an intern when he was studying for an MBA at Stanford, Daniel has held various roles at the company, including in studio distribution and Walt Disney Imagineering, where he oversaw the creation of IP-based attractions like Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyland and Walt Disney World. Notably, he has no experience in streaming or tv.

Here’s why this new unit is significant: the Media and Entertainment Distribution group will decide how the company’s content is distributed across Disney’s streaming services (which include Disney+, Hulu, ESPN+, and its coming Star international streaming service) and legacy platforms, like movie theaters and television. In other words, Disney will no longer specifically create theatrical films; it will simply create films, and then let its new unit decide whether it would be more profitable to release on streaming or in theaters.

Essentially, the reorganization clearly separates distribution from production, streamlining the decisions behind what content goes where. In practice, there will be a new focus on the streamers — especially Disney+, whose growth has been a bright spot for the company in a dark year.

Source:
https://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/disneys-unveils-new-distribution-strategy-that-pits-streaming-against-theaters-197604.html

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

I can't remember. Was it Disney, or AMC, that will run out of money by the year's end?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I know that the cinemas who were trying to stay open were shafted by Disney when they decided not to release Mulan in theatres. I'd think that all the major studios are in deep shit right now. It can't be much fun to be employed in the movie industry these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Sounds like a half-baked idea to me. You can't tell me that no one at Disney or any other studio is going to think about distribution until after a film is completed. No studio is going to plunk down $200 million for a MULAN or an AVENGERS film only to create two hours of streaming content. That's because the public is not routinely going to ante up $30 (on top of the streaming fee) to watch two hours of streaming content. Big-budgeted films will go to theaters, or there won't be any big-budgeted films. You can create an entire season or two of streaming content for what a studio spends on one tentpole flick.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Personally I think this is a signal that they plan to cut way back on feature films and concentrate on Disney + series. They've already moved Star Wars and Marvel IP to that platform. Its suspected that the Mandorlian was originally the Boba Fett movie repurposed for its streaming service. Disney would love nothing more than to cut out the middle man.

I think Disney is taking advantage of the Covid issue to consolidate its leverage. At the same time I think its probably a good idea to steer away from feature films during this pandemic which might last years. I'm sure Mulan, Black Widow and other big ticket films in the can are going to take a big lose.

They're stretched to thin. I heard rumors they're closing the doors on Marvel Comics and I don't know what they're going to do with The Disney Channel, seems redundant when you have Disney +.

That said, I would be very afraid to put my company in the hands of a guy who's responsible for Galaxy's Edge.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2020 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Fuck Disney, and fuck anyone not supporting theaters right now.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Fuck Disney, and fuck anyone not supporting theaters right now.

I feel your pain for missing something you love but the worst thing you can do right now is pack crowds of people into a air conditioned room. Limiting crowd capacity probably isn't going to keep the lights on either. I don't know what the solution is to keep the theaters in business unless they get another trillion dollar handout.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Theatres were dying a slow death anyway, and the pandemic has only sped it up.

I do hope that the few surviving grand movie palaces, many of which are registered as 501(c)(3) non-profits, will survive.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

Cut the middle man? Aren't they just trying to survive?

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And I was so looking forward to more headache inducing teal and orange screen wash.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

I watched a lot of movies at the theaters and spent a lot of my money at the theaters. I would say probably 90% of the movies I watched was not worth the price of admission but I enjoyed watching late night showings when nothing better to do or when they reduced the price of tickets. I was never the one camping out in front of the theater for a ticket when you can wait a few days for the crowd to die down. Before COVID my habits have changed and waited for video release. I am not much for the streaming service either because I still have to pay a huge price for a new released movie. Other than hanging out with friends or a family night, it is not worth the time or money anymore. As long as they keep physical media, that is my theater experience now. Or bring back drive-ins again.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

Ironically, this thread appears the weekend that Tenet finally opened here in Seattle. I'll go to the cinema to see it - plus Mank and The Godfather Part III reissue if they also open here, but, sad to say, even before the lockdowns and the eminence of streaming, I was "phasing out" new movies; there simply is less and less interest for me in keeping up with the World of Film. A result, I suppose, of having formed an objective/subjective hierarchy of what's good and what's not so good over years and years of viewing thousands of films. It's tough for something new to really "blow me away" - or to even dig a new piece of "fun entertainment." Why should I take the time to gin up enthusiasm for some mediocrity just because it's au courant when I can revisit classics or discover something I haven't seen yet from 1980, 1940, or 2000?

I hope there will be some excellent new films to come - and as a life-long movie theater-goer, I hope that movie houses will still exist. There is always something special about that theater-going experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Mark, very well explained, I agree. The biggest reason I stopped going to the theaters was the same as your reasons, the movies are either re-makes or sequels no one wants. Besides the Marvel Universe or Star Wars franchise, most people are not entertained for their money. And since Disney now owns both, streaming is their choice. I watch the classics either on cable or physical media. Being a 80s child I experienced the last decade of the drive-in movies and when the VCR had taken over, theaters were the beginning of the end. To me the movie theater was not as magical experience as some.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

Mark, very well explained, I agree. The biggest reason I stopped going to the theaters was the same as your reasons, the movies are either re-makes or sequels no one wants. Besides the Marvel Universe or Star Wars franchise, most people are not entertained for their money. And since Disney now owns both, streaming is their choice. I watch the classics either on cable or physical media. Being a 80s child I experienced the last decade of the drive-in movies and when the VCR had taken over, theaters were the beginning of the end. To me the movie theater was not as magical experience as some.

I'm an 1980s person too - the "American New Wave," which had begun in the 1960s, was coming to an end by the beginning of the '80s (Perhaps 1981 was the final year? Movies like Blow Out, Prince of the City, Cutter's Way, S.O.B., They All Laughed, Four Friends, and Buddy Buddy, for good or ill, seem like 1970s films already out of place.) There have been many great films from the 1980s onward and just in the last few years I had some terrific movie-going experiences with movies such as Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Phantom Thread, Roma, The Irishman (although note that those last two are Netflix productions that only briefly played cinemas to qualify for awards), La La Land, Gone Girl and several others, but I'm wondering if there'll be much to impress me in years to come. What sort of visions will future directors have that even match what's come before? I hope there will be some great films this decade, but I'm less willing to be an active participant in movie-going, especially if that phrase may become obsolete.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I'm hoping by the time George Miller's THREE THOUSAND YEARS OF LONGING and MAD MAX: FURIOSA come out it will be safe to go back to the theater.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I think certain films really lend themselves to a movie theater with a big screen and surround sound. Later, watching them on TV seems to diminish their impact. I'm hoping theaters continue, but I wouldn't attend until I felt safe. Bring on the vaccine.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

And I was so looking forward to more headache inducing teal and orange screen wash.

Wow, is it still 2009 when people were complaining about Teal & Orange...?

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

And I was so looking forward to more headache inducing teal and orange screen wash.

Wow, is it still 2009 when people were complaining about Teal & Orange...?


Yes, until they stop making crappy looking films. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2020 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Mark, very well explained, I agree. The biggest reason I stopped going to the theaters was the same as your reasons, the movies are either re-makes or sequels no one wants. Besides the Marvel Universe or Star Wars franchise, most people are not entertained for their money. And since Disney now owns both, streaming is their choice. I watch the classics either on cable or physical media. Being a 80s child I experienced the last decade of the drive-in movies and when the VCR had taken over, theaters were the beginning of the end. To me the movie theater was not as magical experience as some.

I'm an 1980s person too - the "American New Wave," which had begun in the 1960s, was coming to an end by the beginning of the '80s (Perhaps 1981 was the final year? Movies like Blow Out, Prince of the City, Cutter's Way, S.O.B., They All Laughed, Four Friends, and Buddy Buddy, for good or ill, seem like 1970s films already out of place.) There have been many great films from the 1980s onward and just in the last few years I had some terrific movie-going experiences with movies such as Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Phantom Thread, Roma, The Irishman (although note that those last two are Netflix productions that only briefly played cinemas to qualify for awards), La La Land, Gone Girl and several others, but I'm wondering if there'll be much to impress me in years to come. What sort of visions will future directors have that even match what's come before? I hope there will be some great films this decade, but I'm less willing to be an active participant in movie-going, especially if that phrase may become obsolete.


Agreed, I need to spend more time on old classics. Films I love and classics Ive never seen. I watched Jaws for the first time in like 30 years and it blew me away. Every shot was a work of art.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Mark, very well explained, I agree. The biggest reason I stopped going to the theaters was the same as your reasons, the movies are either re-makes or sequels no one wants. Besides the Marvel Universe or Star Wars franchise, most people are not entertained for their money. And since Disney now owns both, streaming is their choice. I watch the classics either on cable or physical media. Being a 80s child I experienced the last decade of the drive-in movies and when the VCR had taken over, theaters were the beginning of the end. To me the movie theater was not as magical experience as some.

Why do these "re-makes or sequels no one wants" still make such boffo box office if no one wants them?

2020 is a weird year, but the highest grossing movie is a sequel. Sequels and remakes still populate the top 10.

In 2019, of the top 15 movies, 10 were sequels, 2 were remakes, and 2 were comic book origin movies. Only one of the top 15 was an original idea.

In 2018, of the top 15 movies, 7 were sequels, 2 were remakes, 3 were comic book origin movies, and 1 was a stand alone Star Wars. The other two were original ideas, but one was a biopic.

Those numbers don't look like something "no one wants".

 
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