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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: Barry's 007 Theme Query.    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2       Last Post   Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 12:06 PM     By:   Alex Klein   (Member) It could be played in various ways really. Imagine a scene where Bond is traveling to some visually stimulating location (as he often does). The 007 theme could be arranged in a way to fit a flyover or something similar. You can do endless variations on a theme to fit any dramatic needs. There's no question about that. The real question is: can the 007 theme, in its original form, fit in with the current Bond? As a major Barry fan, i'd like to think yes. However, I have a hard time relating Daniel Craig's Bond or his successor with that melody. Alex    Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 1:35 PM     By:   AndrewH   (Member) Sure, the rhythmic part is all there, but Barry refrained from using the melody because it would have ruined the sense of urgency portrayed in the scene. Possibly that's what Barry was thinking, but I believe you've just beautifully described why the 007 theme worked so well because we're waiting for the familiar melody to relieve the tension . Though I think how he arranged it is also part of the genius that is John Barry.    Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 5:29 PM     By:   Alex Klein   (Member) Possibly that's what Barry was thinking, but I believe you've just beautifully described why the 007 theme worked so well because we're waiting for the familiar melody to relieve the tension . Though I think how he arranged it is also part of the genius that is John Barry. As a side note, Barry did use the melody in the underwater battle scene, albeit very briefly. In the end, however, he stuck with the rhythmic pattern, including in the climactic fight that sees Largo's death. If you ask me, the 007 rhythmic pattern would fit almost any action scene like a glove, including scenes in the current Bond movies. I can only think Arnold and Newman (and now Zimmer) don't use it because they want to leave their own musical mark in the series. Whether or not they have succeeded doing that is another story, of course. Alex    Posted:   Oct 2, 2020 - 1:33 AM     By:   Rick15   (Member) If you ask me, the 007 rhythmic pattern would fit almost any action scene like a glove, including scenes in the current Bond movies. I can only think Arnold and Newman (and now Zimmer) don't use it because they want to leave their own musical mark in the series. Whether or not they have succeeded doing that is another story, of course. Alex I can understand a composer getting offered a franchise such as Bond and wanting to leave a musical mark. To be honest, I haven't really listened to the Arnold and Newman scores (apart from Tomorrow Never Dies because I love how Surrender in used in parts of the score). What would you say is their musical mark/contribution towards the Bond franchise Alex?    Posted:   Oct 2, 2020 - 1:57 AM     By:   Rick15   (Member) I do wonder why this theme never showed up in any of the later Bond films. After DAF in 71, it appeared in Moonraker in 79, but that was it. I'm not as familiar with the more recent Bond movies or scores so I don't know if it's been used recently. I'm just listening to David Arnold's Casino Royale now - because of this thread - and I think I heard it in the Track 'The End of an Aston Martin" I am generally bad at hearing these things though.    Posted:   Oct 2, 2020 - 2:13 AM     By:   CBel27   (Member) I do wonder why this theme never showed up in any of the later Bond films. After DAF in 71, it appeared in Moonraker in 79, but that was it. I'm not as familiar with the more recent Bond movies or scores so I don't know if it's been used recently. I'm just listening to David Arnold's Casino Royale now - because of this thread - and I think I heard it in the Track 'The End of an Aston Martin" I am generally bad at hearing these things though. You are indeed correct That was David’s nod to the rhythmic element from the ‘007’ theme. FYI: David has openly said on Twitter that in the past he has tried to incorporate a version of the ‘007’ theme into his scores, but alas doesn’t lend itself to the more modern take on Bond.    Posted:   Oct 6, 2020 - 10:55 PM     By:   Alex Klein   (Member) What would you say is their musical mark/contribution towards the Bond franchise Alex? I've never listened to the Thomas Newman score (nor seen the film), but I am quite familiar with David Arnold's Bond scores. I would say Arnold's main mark on the series has been his emphasis on electronic beats. Other than that, his melodic writing is nowhere as strong as Barry's was (and I have a feeling Arnold was never allowed much room to explore melodies, either). Alex    Posted:   Oct 7, 2020 - 11:25 AM     By:   PollyAnna   (Member) I do wonder why this theme never showed up in any of the later Bond films. After DAF in 71, it appeared in Moonraker in 79, but that was it. I'm not as familiar with the more recent Bond movies or scores so I don't know if it's been used recently. I'm just listening to David Arnold's Casino Royale now - because of this thread - and I think I heard it in the Track 'The End of an Aston Martin" I am generally bad at hearing these things though. You are indeed correct That was David’s nod to the rhythmic element from the ‘007’ theme. FYI: David has openly said on Twitter that in the past he has tried to incorporate a version of the ‘007’ theme into his scores, but alas doesn’t lend itself to the more modern take on Bond. I never noticed that before! But yes it does appear around 0.44 into the track. Love it!     General Discussion: Barry's 007 Theme Query.    << < 1 2  >   Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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