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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2020 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   PollyAnna   (Member)

I love this theme. I'd love to hear it turn up in a Bond movie again. We all know it's last outing was in Moonraker but on recently listening to both Octopussy and A View To A Kill scores my ear detected just hints of something akin to it. The 8 note motif at the beginning of The Chase Bomb theme in Octopussy and the timpani playing in the backround about 16 seconds into Destroy Silicon Valley in A View To A Kill. I keep wanting them to pick up the beat and blossom into the 007 theme. Am I just completely bonkers like a kite in a hurricane or is there possibly a germ of something there. Maybe Mr.Woolston might have an opinion on it ?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2020 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Funny thing about Barry and how he creates themes: Usually he's looking at the characters and their motivation, but other times he draws his inspiration from sometimes the oddest things. I think with "007" he thought urgency and then built those opening rat-tat-tat staccato notes on the sound of a telegraph.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2020 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The best listening version of "007" is a cover, the one by Roland Shaw. It wouldn't work in a movie, especially today, but as music for its own sake it's fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2020 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

I’ve also always thought “The Chase Bomb Theme” from Octopussy had some of Barry’s 007 theme in it. But I don’t recall ever reading If it Barry did it on purpose or not.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2020 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The 007 theme is built on a 'device' Barry used regularly—the 3-3-2 rhythm pattern.

Y'know ... UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa

The Chase Bomb Theme is not a version of the 007 theme, it just uses the 3-3-2 rhythm pattern, and it shows up frequently in his work.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2020 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Just to add something to this discussion, here are other memorable instances where Barry uses this rhythmic pattern:

- Space War (StarCrash)
- Valley Chase (Legend of the Lone Ranger)
- Buffalo Hunt (Dances With Wolves)

And the list goes on.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   PollyAnna   (Member)

Thanks Stephen and everyone for shedding light on that. Maybe one day someone will be inspired to reuse 007 in a future Bond.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Some other uses of the 3-3-2 pattern in Barry's work:

The second half of the Game of Death main title.

Charlie Gets The Knife from High Road to China

The cuts to the hurrying boat of the Voodoo attack sequence in The Deep.

Sit Him High in Monte Walsh.

The Chase Is On from The Chase.

Practically all the music in the last act of The Tamarind Seed.

It shows up a lot.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The 007 theme is built on a 'device' Barry used regularly—the 3-3-2 rhythm pattern.

Y'know ... UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa



I can't hear what the heck you're talking about. I just replayed the 007 tracks in FRWL and Thunderball, and don't hear that pattern at all.

The intro line goes like
pa-pa
pa-pa
pa
pa-pa
PAAAH-pa

And when the main melody comes in, it's like
Bah-BAAAHH
Bah-Bah-Bah
BAAAHH-Bah

Where do you get "UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa" out of that? I mean, I'm sure I'm wrong, but I just don't get it!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

The 007 theme is built on a 'device' Barry used regularly—the 3-3-2 rhythm pattern.

Y'know ... UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa



I can't hear what the heck you're talking about. I just replayed the 007 tracks in FRWL and Thunderball, and don't hear that pattern at all.

The intro line goes like
pa-pa
pa-pa
pa
pa-pa
PAAAH-pa

And when the main melody comes in, it's like
Bah-BAAAHH
Bah-Bah-Bah
BAAAHH-Bah



Where do you get "UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa" out of that? I mean, I'm sure I'm wrong, but I just don't get it!


My thoughts exactly, lol. UM-pah-pah is what we hear when Stan Laurel plays his intro for Ollie when he tries to serenade the object of his desire in Swiss Miss, Let Me Call You Sweethearthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbp7iEs0AJ0 about nine seconds in. DEFINITELY UM-pah-pah.

Doesn't sound anything like 007!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Oh I miss McKone. He transcribed with the best phonetics. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Laurent-Watteau   (Member)

The 007 theme is built on a 'device' Barry used regularly—the 3-3-2 rhythm pattern.

Y'know ... UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa


I can't hear what the heck you're talking about. I just replayed the 007 tracks in FRWL and Thunderball, and don't hear that pattern at all.


It's because you're focusing on the foreground (trumpets, the introducing timpani, etc.). Listen to the '007' track from FRWL again. Listen the the backgound pattern (played on snare drums, etc) that comes in at about 6 seconds. That's IMHO what Stephen is talking about.

Also listen to Thunderball, for example the whole 'Death of Largo' track : it's full of it ! (obvious soft statement of that pattern on snare drums at 00:30). And of course listen to the pattern as an ostinato at 01:50 !

Note : When you say you're just hearing :
"pa-pa
pa-pa
pa", you're not absolutely wrong.

It's because you don't take the silence into account.". If you do (marked 'x' below and UM in Stephen's post), you'll find the 3/3/2 pattern :
"x-pa-pa
x-pa-pa
x-pa"

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   PollyAnna   (Member)

Of all the versions I think https://youtu.be/i93on-ONLJc"To Hell With Blofeld" from DAF is my favourite. As for covers Roland Shaw's is terrific but I also think the laid back version on Franck Pourcel's James Bond's greatest hits deserves a play now and then. A little Mike Oldfield-ish with the guitar.
https://youtu.be/i93on-ONLJc

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Livio Merino   (Member)

I do wonder why this theme never showed up in any of the later Bond films. After DAF in 71, it appeared in Moonraker in 79, but that was it. I'm not as familiar with the more recent Bond movies or scores so I don't know if it's been used recently.

I always thought it was a great theme that could be played many different ways to fit not only action scenes, but slower scenes as well.

I think my favorite incarnation of this theme is in Thunderball - hard hitting with the swirling strings behind it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)


Where do you get "UM-pa-pa-UM-pa-pa-UM-pa" out of that? I mean, I'm sure I'm wrong, but I just don't get it!


Just listen to the drums at the beginning of "To Hell With Blofeld".

That should do it.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2020 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I do wonder why this theme never showed up in any of the later Bond films. After DAF in 71, it appeared in Moonraker in 79, but that was it. I'm not as familiar with the more recent Bond movies or scores so I don't know if it's been used recently.

I always thought it was a great theme that could be played many different ways to fit not only action scenes, but slower scenes as well.

I think my favorite incarnation of this theme is in Thunderball - hard hitting with the swirling strings behind it.


The 007 theme doesn't really lend itself to today's "darker" Bond. The theme has a very cheerful character, more akin to a lighter form of adventure than what we see in today's action films.

Thus, if the theme comes back at all, it will have to come with a change in the way Bond is portrayed, or it might work if it is used to underscore an action scene that doesn't take itself too seriously.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   AndrewH   (Member)

or it might work if it is used to underscore an action scene that doesn't take itself too seriously.

I think the Street Chase scene in Thunderball was pretty serious. Bond was even shot! Though possibly that underscore could only be used once in a film but I see no reason why we couldn't still have echoes of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Livio Merino   (Member)

It could be played in various ways really. Imagine a scene where Bond is traveling to some visually stimulating location (as he often does). The 007 theme could be arranged in a way to fit a flyover or something similar.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   PollyAnna   (Member)

It could be played in various ways really. Imagine a scene where Bond is traveling to some visually stimulating location (as he often does). The 007 theme could be arranged in a way to fit a flyover or something similar.

Totally agree Livio, depending on how a new Bond is depicted, possibly retro, then it could be adapted. It's a shame it hasn't continued on through the later Bonds along with The Bond theme. For a darker circumstance I'm sure any composer worth his/her salt would give it a modern appropriate rendition. I had hoped that David Arnold might have referenced it for the 50th anniversary in Skyfall but Tom Newman came along and things went in a different direction.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2020 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I think the Street Chase scene in Thunderball was pretty serious. Bond was even shot! Though possibly that underscore could only be used once in a film but I see no reason why we couldn't still have echoes of it.

The Street Chase cue is not really the 007 theme because the main melody is entirely absent. Sure, the rhythmic part is all there, but Barry refrained from using the melody because it would have ruined the sense of urgency portrayed in the scene.

Alex

 
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