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 Posted:   Sep 19, 2020 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

In previous threads about the score, we've been told that the original film recordings are no more, and we have to settle for the wretched re-recorded LP "pop" versions. But reading the Official Roy Budd website tonight, I saw this:

"Anyone wishing to listen to Roy Budd’s first film music (Soldier Blue) today has to watch the film itself. The soundtrack released first on vinyl and subsequently on recordings on CD are revised versions Budd was pressured into making. The record label was hoping for larger sales from an easy listening version rather than from the symphonic film music which has still not been issued, though it exists in Budd’s estate."

Exists? Can we have it please? Anyone?

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Maybe someone with some knowledge finally looked into all these boxes and actually listened to the tapes ? Maybe they were just misplaced/mislabeld ?

If true, that would be really awesome and I am sure that Silva Screen is trying to release it.
That would be one less on my holy grail list. Fingers crossed ...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   teriweigel1   (Member)

From the "Man At The Top" topic:

Hopefully the original recording of "Soldier Blue" is coming too. The old re-recorded "pop" album was horrid.

Unfortunately, the original "Soldier Blue" recording is lost. For "Catlow" only one reel has survived, and it's exclusively source music.


https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140997&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Caldera Records   (Member)

"Roy Budd's "Soldier Blue" film recording "exists"."

It does not.

I wrote that article you are quoting from several years ago. Back then I did not do my due diligence as an investigative reporter and simply believed what the Budd Estate told me.

Several years later we went through all the tapes together and catalogued them. "Soldier Blue" is lost, as are "The Magnificent Seven Deadly Sins", "The Man Who Came to Dinner", Welcome to Blood City", "The Missing Link", "The Big Bang," etc etc etc.

You name it. Either lost or damaged beyond repair by vinegar syndrome. We were about to sign a contract for "The Big Bang" when we discovered that some tapes were labeled wrongly, others were blank, others moldy, others affected by vinegar syndrome.

It's a sad story. Don't remind me. Ah, you already did. Pity.

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well, you recently put out a fine release of Man at the Top, so it’s not *entirely* a tragic story, is it? You must have found some surviving material. (Was this the only score of his that did survive?)

Bummer about Soldier Blue though.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Well, you recently put out a fine release of Man at the Top, so it’s not *entirely* a tragic story, is it?



I've been enjoying several plays of Man at the Top. Excellent CD. Reading the notes prompted me to check out Budd's score for the Lon Chaney "Phantom of the Opera". Here's an excerpt on Youtube. Sounds terrific:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EMX_zY12TQ

Couple of questions: The Man at the Top credits only list Budd as the composer, with no mention of conductor. Did he conduct? Also, with some fine jazzy piano playing, do we know if Budd is the soloist?

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   MusicUnite   (Member)

zeppelin. Zeppelin. ZEPPELIN !!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2020 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

Are the original film tracks for Wild Geese also lost?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2020 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Caldera Records   (Member)

Couple of questions: The Man at the Top credits only list Budd as the composer, with no mention of conductor. Did he conduct? Also, with some fine jazzy piano playing, do we know if Budd is the soloist?

Yes, Roy did conduct and is also the soloist heard on the piano smile

zeppelin. Zeppelin. ZEPPELIN !!

Lost.

Are the original film tracks for Wild Geese also lost?

Lost in space.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2020 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

No!!! Not Zeppelin too? One of my faves. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2020 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   martyn.crosthwaite   (Member)

Couple of questions: The Man at the Top credits only list Budd as the composer, with no mention of conductor. Did he conduct? Also, with some fine jazzy piano playing, do we know if Budd is the soloist?

Yes, Roy did conduct and is also the soloist heard on the piano smile

zeppelin. Zeppelin. ZEPPELIN !!

Lost.

Are the original film tracks for Wild Geese also lost?

Lost in space.


Thanks for your reply's to everyone's Questions.

So very sad so many of his scores are lost even something like ' Wild Geese ' that was recorded at CTS Wembley. If anything else does become available please release it . Man at the Top CD is very good indeed...

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2020 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Several years later we went through all the tapes together and catalogued them. "Soldier Blue" is lost, as are "The Magnificent Seven Deadly Sins", "The Man Who Came to Dinner", Welcome to Blood City", "The Missing Link", "The Big Bang," etc etc etc.

What?! "The Missing Link" is lost?! Is that art imitating life or life imitating art? wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2020 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

How about Fear Is The Key? Love to have the car chase without the irritating sfx.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2020 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Surely an expanded, remastered release of Budd's powerful orchestral score for a Ray Harryhausen adventure – Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger – would be well received.

Update: I'm now listening to the old release (Castle/Cinephile) for the first time in years, and the sound is very good as it is. Actually, it's exceptional to my ears. The music is terrific.

 
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