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 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

This weekend, I listened to (for the first time) the soundtrack release of Elliot Goldenthal's SPHERE.

I hereby demand a comprehensive release of this score. I will not accept a "no" in this matter. Get it done.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

This weekend, I listened to (for the first time) the soundtrack release of Elliot Goldenthal's SPHERE.

I hereby demand a comprehensive release of this score. I will not accept a "no" in this matter. Get it done.


One of my biggest Holy Grails! Sadly chances are very small it'll ever see a complete release.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


One of my biggest Holy Grails! Sadly chances are very small it'll ever see a complete release.


I insist.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   makro   (Member)

I agree, the existing album is pretty weak. My favorite moment in this brilliant film is, when the subtle piano stuff accompanies the receding water after the manifestations from the Dustin Hoffman character rather late in the film.
So yeah, release of the entire score is mandatory.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)


One of my biggest Holy Grails! Sadly chances are very small it'll ever see a complete release.


I insist.


Tell it to the people at Warner Bros

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

The way things have been going with Varese Clubs lately - I wouldn't be surprised if this was coming in a future batch.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

Goldenthal is blacklisted from Warner.

That means no future:

Interview with the Vampire
Sphere
Batman & Robin
Michael Collins
Heat
Cobb
Demolition Man

A side effect of Goldenthal and the whole 300 fiasco.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Goldenthal is blacklisted from Warner.

That means no future:

Interview with the Vampire
Sphere
Batman & Robin
Michael Collins
Heat
Cobb
Demolition Man

A side effect of Goldenthal and the whole 300 fiasco.


Yes, but some of these scores have at least adequate soundtrack releases. I mean, Interview with the Vampire or Heat or Michael Collins I think have well produced soundtrack albums that stand alone well.

SPHERE is obviously lacking a lot of music from sessions that would have been prohibitively expensive to include. What I heard on the album was very good, but obviously, it would be much rounder if there were an expanded release. I want it! I want it now! (Stomps with foot.)

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Goldenthal is blacklisted from Warner.

That means no future:

Interview with the Vampire
Sphere
Batman & Robin
Michael Collins
Heat
Cobb
Demolition Man

A side effect of Goldenthal and the whole 300 fiasco.


pity that a composer who asserts their intellectual rights still suffers in the end....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

If I may be so bold...

...what exactly happened with 300?

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

If I may be so bold...

...what exactly happened with 300?


From Wiki:

The score for the 2007 film 300, composed by Tyler Bates became the subject of much criticism regarding the somewhat liberal use of other composers' orchestrations (at times note for note) including pieces from Goldenthal's Titus score; in particular "Victorius Titus" and "Finale".[9][10] Warner Bros. Records released a statement clarifying the matter with regards to the similarities to Goldenthal's work:

"a number of the music cues for the score of "300" were, without our knowledge or participation, derived from music composed by Academy Award winning composer Elliot Goldenthal for the motion picture "Titus." Warner Bros. Pictures has great respect for Elliot, our longtime collaborator, and is pleased to have amicably resolved this matter."

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

Well, grudges are not binding, and it could be put aside any day, especially if someone at Varese is making the effort to get it done.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2020 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Goldenthal is blacklisted from Warner.

That means no future:

Interview with the Vampire
Sphere
Batman & Robin
Michael Collins
Heat
Cobb
Demolition Man

A side effect of Goldenthal and the whole 300 fiasco.


pity that a composer who asserts their intellectual rights still suffers in the end....


Agreed. But couldn't other composers oppose the same type of grievance with respect to their music? I'm thinking of Goldenthal's rather shocking use of The Amityville Horror in Pet Sematary.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2020 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   VeronicaMars   (Member)

I agree, the existing album is pretty weak. My favorite moment in this brilliant film is, when the subtle piano stuff accompanies the receding water after the manifestations from the Dustin Hoffman character rather late in the film.
So yeah, release of the entire score is mandatory.


For the 35 Minutes that Varese was able to afford, it's a pretty good album. Another thing is that the score was recorded in two separate cities, New York and San Francisco which are both union orchestras which eventhrough they aren't LA are still expensive regardless. Goldenthal had to move to SF because he was also doing his "Othello" ballet (which is excellent) around the same time he was recording this score which Varese also released soon after the CD to Sphere came out in Feb. 1998.

The album if I remember right is the New York recordings or at least part of it and there's another 55 Minutes missing from it. I'd like to see this expanded too just to get the complete Main Titles and the lengthy finale.

This and an expanded Demolition Man should definitely happen!!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2020 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   Landstander   (Member)

Warner Bros. What a bunch of goddamn hypocrites. They would be the first to DMCA strike something on YouTube if they thought it was their IP. And they have the Davy Jones insolence to blackball one of the most talented composers of his generation for trying to defend his own creation. Hollywood really is the fucking worst.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2020 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Goldenthal is blacklisted from Warner.

That means no future:

Interview with the Vampire
Sphere
Batman & Robin
Michael Collins
Heat
Cobb
Demolition Man

A side effect of Goldenthal and the whole 300 fiasco.


Also A Time to Kill, although I don't think that one is missing much music. But I really hope this matter will be resolved one day, cause I'd love a more complete version of almost all of the above titles.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2020 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

I got the complete score recently and it is great!

Probably Goldenthal's finest!

Love to see an official release. The Varese album is a joke.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2020 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I insist "they" (you know who you are) get SPHERE done correctly... the current album is like listening to a great symphony that was never finished. And we are NOT talking Schubert here, where I let this slip through.
SPHERE has more potential as music, I sense it (even though I have seen the movie only once back when it came out).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2020 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   sturges1947   (Member)

You "demand" and You "insist"--that's certainly the way to get what you want out of people, Nicholas.

 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2020 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

I insist "they" (you know who you are) get SPHERE done correctly... the current album is like listening to a great symphony that was never finished. And we are NOT talking Schubert here, where I let this slip through.
SPHERE has more potential as music, I sense it (even though I have seen the movie only once back when it came out).


Oh yes, yes my precious, my love!

 
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