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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I was watching Terminator: Dark Fate for the first time since I saw it at the cinema.

I read over at IMDb that when they wrote it they hired several writers to sit in a room to brainstorm ideas. That made me think what if I would have been a writer who had been hired to brainstorm ideas for a Terminator sequel.

Then I thought that most Terminator movies is mainly set in the present except for Salvation that is set entirely in the future. I would rather see a Terminator movie set in another timeframe such as maybe in the wild west or the 1920`s/30`s Al Capone gangster period or maybe even during WWII while they are fighting Nazis they also fights Terminators, why not.

Anyway my point is that I would love to see a Terminator movie set sometime in the past, heck even during the 50`s or 60`s would be fine for me.

Anyone agree with me?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

'Westworld' was Terminator in the West

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

'Westworld' was Terminator in the West

I disagree. Just because Big Arnie based his movement of the Terminator on Yul Brynner`s character in Westworld does not make Westworld a Terminator movie. Actually Cameron was somewhat inspired by Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior. And the fact that Cameron`s original idea came from a nightmare he had during production of his previous movie Piranha II: The Spawning. So when Westworld was made no one knew what The Terminator was so to say that Westworld is a Terminator movie (although set in the west) does not make it a Terminator movie.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

How did they have a room full of writers brainstomring ideas for Dark Fate only to wind up remaking Terminator 2? Every one of these films is pretty much the same damned story. Only Salvation tried to go in a different direction and nobody liked it.

Well, except me.

I enjoy most of the films in the franchise, but there's no originality in it. And you're right, a change of venue would be good, but it's all the same plot.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I was watching Terminator: Dark Fate for the first time since I saw it at the cinema.

I read over at IMDb that when they wrote it they hired several writers to sit in a room to brainstorm ideas. That made me think what if I would have been a writer who had been hired to brainstorm ideas for a Terminator sequel.


Writers or activists? Yes, you can write a better Terminator movie script.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

'Westworld' was Terminator in the West

This is correct. I do like the WW2 idea though.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2020 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

How did they have a room full of writers brainstomring ideas for Dark Fate only to wind up remaking Terminator 2? Every one of these films is pretty much the same damned story.

This. There's no central figure with a vision for the series. Just a corporate property trying to recapture the success of the second film.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I pretty much like everything in this franchise -- the movies, the TV show. Even though I have some issues with the last two, DARK FATE and GENISYS, I seem to like both of them better than most of the people I know. III and IV got a lot of flack too, but I think they're excellent. And I and II are bonafide masterpieces. Big fan also of the SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

"The Terminator Franchise" would be a great title for a thriller.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

T3, for its many faults, did more right for the franchise than it gets credit for. The real problem is where do you go from there. Salvation was an absolute pain-by-numbers machinery churn-out (Good Elfman score though). Genesys tried to reign it in by pulling a Die Another Day / Star Trek Nemesis by making an overly clever mish-mash of the best moments of the previous iterations as if that would work (it doesn't).

As it stands, Terminator as a franchise lost its teeth after 2, but definitely after 3. You can't keep delaying Judgement Day in perpetuity nor can you make a movie after Judgement Day because the stakes are so much lower in a post-apocalypse scenario.

For right now, the only viable and creative option is to stop making movies for a decade. Start fresh. Maybe even reboot - though we all know nothing will touch the first two movies.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Deadwalker   (Member)

I was watching Terminator: Dark Fate for the first time since I saw it at the cinema.

I read over at IMDb that when they wrote it they hired several writers to sit in a room to brainstorm ideas. That made me think what if I would have been a writer who had been hired to brainstorm ideas for a Terminator sequel.

Then I thought that most Terminator movies is mainly set in the present except for Salvation that is set entirely in the future. I would rather see a Terminator movie set in another timeframe such as maybe in the wild west or the 1920`s/30`s Al Capone gangster period or maybe even during WWII while they are fighting Nazis they also fights Terminators, why not.

Anyway my point is that I would love to see a Terminator movie set sometime in the past, heck even during the 50`s or 60`s would be fine for me.

Anyone agree with me?


How about a full movie just about the war instead. From start to finish.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I like all of these movies, dammit.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The third is a guilty pleasure. The rest after that are a complete bore.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

T3, for its many faults, did more right for the franchise than it gets credit for. The real problem is where do you go from there.

Agreed and it brought the time travel plot of the concept to a conclusion. Seeing the war isn't even necessary since we know the humans won, that's the whole reason Skynet wants to kill John Connor. The obsession with Arnold playing a Terminator is one of the reasons this doesn't work past T3. The climax of T3 is fantastic. Any story after that is just humans vs machines.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't agree. I thought the idea of having SALVATION take place in a post-apocalyptic future was an excellent idea; taking the universe further. A very, very underrated film, IMO.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I don't agree. I thought the idea of having SALVATION take place in a post-apocalyptic future was an excellent idea; taking the universe further. A very, very underrated film, IMO.

I don't think it was a bad idea and I enjoy it for the most part (I'm not that tough an audience), but it's missing "something." Also, they keep making films as starting points to trilogies that never happen. After T3, we've gotten one "set up" film after another rather than simply trying to tell a compelling standalone story. At least Salvation tried to do something off the usual time travel template and for that I'm happy.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, I see your point. I just loved the consistent, 'desert' look of SALVATION. Something we hadn't really seen before, except the flashforwards in the previous films. I had always wanted one of these films to take place more or less entirely in the post-apocalyptic future, and I felt McG delivered the goods in that regard. I even liked the Arnie T-800 appearance towards the end, wonky CGI or not. And Elfman's score is pretty good too!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

I like all of these movies, dammit.

Yep.

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I pretty much like everything in this franchise -- the movies, the TV show. Even though I have some issues with the last two, DARK FATE and GENISYS, I seem to like both of them better than most of the people I know. III and IV got a lot of flack too, but I think they're excellent. And I and II are bonafide masterpieces. Big fan also of the SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES.

Regarding Genisys I think that the first 15 minutes was actually really good but the rest of the movie was terrible. But I must say that I actually liked Dark Fate even though it is very far from a perfect movie but it is far better than most people think it is.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Yes, I see your point. I just loved the consistent, 'desert' look of SALVATION. Something we hadn't really seen before, except the flashforwards in the previous films. I had always wanted one of these films to take place more or less entirely in the post-apocalyptic future, and I felt McG delivered the goods in that regard. I even liked the Arnie T-800 appearance towards the end, wonky CGI or not. And Elfman's score is pretty good too!

I find Salvation the best of the sequels after T2 as I also thought the right move for the series would be to focus on the future war between men and machines. It also has the best "non-Fiedel" score in the series (the two Fiedel's scores remain the best and captured 'perfect' sound for the franchise).

I find III and Genesys watchable but Dark Fate was a huge disappointment - the issue with these movies is that the series kept rebooting/repeating the plot of first movies instead of moving on.

 
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