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 Posted:   Jul 31, 2020 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

As with the dish-washin' purple monkey, I've been satisfied with Four Flies' products.
I'm glad to have gotten myself the Trovajoli Chiamate 22-22 tenente Sheridan, my 2nd FF acquisition.

What irks me, though, is the higher prices for meager runtime durations. Sheridan has around 14 minutes of program on either side - yielding an album totaling less than 30 minutes.
Kronos Records offers 60 minutes of Trovajoli's Il gigante di Metropolis on CD for 16 euros; why, then, is the retail cost on Sheridan about 25 euros (I recall paying upwards to $33 in the states for this title) for less than a half-hour of music?
If this had been planned for CD, then customers would expect such to be paired with another recording to fill up the disc towards 60+ minutes.
Seems to me that the licensors and the album producers are receiving larger amounts of revenue by issuing less music with greater price tags than CDs and by having larger customer bases for vinyl LPs than CDs.

Thoughts on this?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2020 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   purplemonkeydishwasher   (Member)

I'm not an expert on LP production, or really anything but dish-washin' (hint - best to let that "baked on" crud soak for a couple of hours), but I think there's an upper limit of 20 minutes or so per side on an LP, beyond which you risk degrading the fidelity of the music. These days, I'm frankly just grateful to be getting physical releases at all. Dusty Groove typically is my go-to for music shopping, and I've noticed lately that some of the Quartet releases there have really jumped up in price, some approaching US$30 each. Again, I'm just happy they're available at all.

Chiamate 22-22 is a good one! For me, the main problem with the LP releases is finding time to record them to CD-R. I typically like to do this during my first play through of a new record, so sometimes an LP will sit un-listened-to for months ( - years! - ) before I get around to it. In the case of Chiamate 22-22 I think I stumbled across some samples online (or more likely, read some chatter here on the FSM boards) and was relieved to find I had a forgotten copy in my "un-listened-to-as-yet" stack, and didn't have to scramble to search for one to buy.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2020 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)


What irks me, though, is the higher prices for meager runtime durations. Sheridan has around 14 minutes of program on either side - yielding an album totaling less than 30 minutes.
Kronos Records offers 60 minutes of Trovajoli's Il gigante di Metropolis on CD for 16 euros; why, then, is the retail cost on Sheridan about 25 euros (I recall paying upwards to $33 in the states for this title) for less than a half-hour of music?


As you can see from the example MD had posted, pressing costs for LPs are nowadays much higher than those for CDs. Therefore it is logical that the retail prices of such LP are also higher than those for CDs - although in former times during the late 80s it was just the other way round.

It´s up to the label itself which selections of a score they want to release on LP or CD. Apparently, Four Flies is not that much interested in completeness like so many of the CD labels, but they try to select those tracks which they like the most and which may fit well onto an LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2020 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


It´s up to the label itself which selections of a score they want to release on LP or CD. Apparently, Four Flies is not that much interested in completeness like so many of the CD labels, but they try to select those tracks which they like the most and which may fit well onto an LP.


Yes, this explains why my 3rd purchase of a Four Flies LP is, so far, my last.

In 2017, Four Flies issued Riz Ortolani's 1973 Si Può Essere Più Bastardi Dell'Ispettore Cliff? with 6 tracks on each side. I got this thinking it would be the only incarnation ...



... but it was not. Chris Soundtrack Corner released, in 2019, the same title but with its CD program consisting of 20 cues:

01 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (Main Title) 2.02
02 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (A Pool for Mama & Tony) 1.34
03 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (Secret Meeting in Ba'labakk) 2.36
04 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (Sniper's Action) 0.50
05 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (Lebanese Rally) 2.05
06 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (International Escort Service) 2.01
07 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (Headline/Headshot) 0.36
08 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (Oven & Out) 3.41
09 LOVE BREAK * 1.54
10 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (Telephone Booth) 1.46
11 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (London, Easy Going) 1.34
12 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (Mama, We Like You So Much) 1.09
13 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (Dead in the Gutter) 1.29
14 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (Tortured Joann) 0.48
15 SI PUO' ESSERE PIU' BASTARDI DELL'ISPETTORE CLIFF? (A New Morning) 0.48
16 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (House-Boat-Breakfast) 0.55
17 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (Hostage Exchange) 1.44
18 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (Don't Drive Wearing Handcuffs) 0.29
19 L'INTOCCABILE MR. CLIFF (End Title)* 3.27


Bonus Tracks

20 ROMANCE ANONIMO 2.43



All tracks composed, arranged & conducted by RIZ ORTOLANI
except "Romance Anónimo" – arr. R.Ortolani – © PD

All tracks previously unreleased
except * on Single CAM AMP 116

© Proprietà Autore

1973 Creazioni Artistiche Musicali C.A.M. Srl – Una società del Gruppo Sugar



Had I known this were to happen, I could have waited a couple of years to purchase the CSC CD without getting that now-redundant & shorter LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

In 2017, Four Flies issued Riz Ortolani's 1973 Si Può Essere Più Bastardi Dell'Ispettore Cliff? with 6 tracks on each side. I got this thinking it would be the only incarnation
... but it was not. Chris Soundtrack Corner released, in 2019, the same title but with its CD program consisting of 20 cues:


Yes, a soundtrack label typically acquires the rights for a score from the Italian music publisher for 2 or 3 years. Then another label could license it again if it is interested.
Therefore I wrote above that regarding the Nicolosi music L´OCCHIO NEL LABIRINTO it would be better to ask one of the CD labels such as Digit or Beat if they intend to release it on CD.
I am also not sure whether Four Flies could use an existing album master of the former "Atmosfera" LP from 1973 or if they made a rip of that top rare library LP. Has anyone who owns the Four Flies LP of OCCHIO NEL LABIRINTO any info about this?
If it was only a vinyl rip and the album master for the Fontana LP doesn´t exist anymore, then I doubt that another label will release a CD of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Mine is in a storage tote, so I don't have it handy to consult, but I don't recall any notes/credits revealing the source of the sound elements.
"Flies 19" does state: Remastered by Fabrizio De Carolis at Reference Mastering Studio. I don't recall, either, hearing any surface noise when I listened to it. The music itself is a must-have, IMO. I'd say it's my 3rd favorite Nicolosi score, following CALTIKI & I TRE VOLTI DELLA PAURA.
[FYI: Arrow Records' 2-LP edition on Nicolosi's GLI INVASORI is marvelous]

 
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