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ATMOS is excellent for movies on bluray if you have a home theater. I got a living room.
Same here. But, at the end of the day, I love Shout Factory and Criterion for using the original audio mixes. If a movie had a 4.1 or 7.1 mix, cool. If it was mono or stereo, that's A-OK with me too. More channels =/= better. I wish all new releases had the original mixes as an option. (I'm looking at you, Terminator!)
AGREED! Not all re-mixes are superior by default.
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Mike Matessino: Bruce was referencing Dolby Atmos Music here. He used a piece of Star Trek TMP as a demo for the format. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the audio for the movie itself.
Though surely the upcoming 4K release of a reconstituted Director's Edition will have a Dolby Atmos remix, right?
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I spent a few hours yesterday listening to the Atmos Music mixes on Tidal - impressive! There's quite a bit of variety - jazz, classical, pop, rock, hip-hop - so perhaps Mr. Botnick has remixed TMP for music only release as well. If you have the opportunity, I strongly suggest checking out the Atmos playlists on Tidal and Amazon Music:
https://tidal.com/partners/dolbyatmos
https://music.amazon.com/playlists/B08BRZW1QR
Some people dismiss this as a gimmick, but it's not. You can hear much more musical detail in many of these remixes, provided, of course, you have the proper gear to play it back.
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I'm sorry to hear that once again STTMP is on the backburner. COVID issues aside there doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the film at Paramount. I guess 1080 will have to be "good enough."
I don't have definitive insider info, but I think we'll see all the original cast ST films restored before long.
And I still think it's likely Botnick is working on a TMP Atmos mix as a side benefit of a TMP restoration.
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I'm sorry to hear that once again STTMP is on the backburner. COVID issues aside there doesn't seem to be a lot of love for the film at Paramount. I guess 1080 will have to be "good enough."
I don't have definitive insider info, but I think we'll see all the original cast ST films restored before long.
And I still think it's likely Botnick is working on a TMP Atmos mix as a side benefit of a TMP restoration.
Bruce used the data from our soundtrack project in 2012 to create an Atmos Music demo piece for Dolby.
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One element to consider that might require a remix from the 16 track (actually 15 tracks given that one track is a constant tone to keep the tape speed correct) would be the fact that there is dialogue and sound effects in the overall mix.
If a center channel is used primarily for dialog, it means a LCR style mix would need to be altered, since combining too much musically into the center channel would not be pleasant to hear in viewing the film, though for sequences with music only, that center channel is a good place for percussion.
Another example of the difference between a film mix requirement compared to what would work well on a CD remaster would also be Jaws, where the dreaded shark theme is played on one instrument that would be most effective on the center speaker for the remastering on CD, compared to moving it to the side in a surround mix so that dialog and immediate sound effects and foley can take center stage when needed.
Giving the 16 track master a mixdown for Atmos would also allow for a good separation and assignment of instruments to take advantage of the multiple channels and make the overall mix more immersive that simply applying some reverb from a stereo or LCR mix into the back speakers.
Once can also selectively take the low part of some percussion sounds into the subwoofer to allow the music greater impact.
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Of course Mike Matessino has the correct inside info here, also.backed up by Bill Hunt on The Digital Bits yesterday. Here's the latest on Botnick's remix as well as any ST-TMP restoration:
https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/080320-1500
From Bill's article:
"Finally today, we have an update on a story we posted a couple weeks ago: You may recall that Bruce Botnick, the original score mixer for Robert Wise’s Star Trek: The Motion Picture, mentioned in a YouTube interview that he was remixing the score for Dolby Atmos. Well, we’ve now confirmed with Paramount—and Director’s Edition restoration supervisor Mike Matessino has confirmed it as well—that Botnick was talking about a music demo on the format only. Paramount wasn’t even aware of the project until they read about it on The Bits. And multiple sources tell me that the 4K film restoration project on the title is currently at on hold at the studio. The pandemic has made all of the Hollywood studios more risk-adverse in terms of spending money right now, so essentially Paramount has hit the pause button on the project. We’ll keep our eyes open on this and update you as we hear more. Actually, let me rephrase that: We know a good deal more than we can post right now, but suffice it to say that when things begin to move forward again (and we can talk about it), we’ll let you know here."
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Bill Hunt's article is a bit inaccurate, and I've been in touch with him about it. Discussions about the 4K project have been continuing all along and we are optimistic. The pandemic has affected this as with everything else, but it's only because of budgets being frozen and facility access being handicapped. The Atmos Music demo is a separate thing but in no way reflects anything that is or isn't happening with the movie.
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Thanks for the clarification and ray of hope, Mike!
Yavar
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