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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


@ Mr. McOldsmith: which episode?


The Return of the Phantom. It was the last 10 minutes or so when Crane is possessed by Captain Kruger yelling (in that accent) "Lani, come back! Lahn-NEEE!" I turned on the TV because Lost in Space was due to come on and Voyage was ending and I really just thought it was awful. Flash forward about 10 years and I'm watching this one, totally loving it, and this scene comes on. Totally different opinion at that time.


Yes! Fantastic episode.

"Dr: Captain!

Captain Crane: (slightly higher pitched) Take care of ze... awkward pause ... Take care of the Admiral" big grin

I started watching the episodes starting just around this one (in French) and onward till the end of season 4. This took about a year and half by which time the first season episodes were re-broadcast on WPTZ (channel 5 - Plattsburgh) during the summer of 1975. On labour day, they started to rebroadcast the 2nd season, IIRC. By the time Return of the Phantom Strikes came around again, my appreciation of the episode, which I already loved, increased several fold.

The escape from the Island is scored with music from Jonah and the Whale. What is the music played when the missile destroys the Island? Leviathan? Very effective, followed by a snippet of the Goldsmith fanfare leading to a very satisfying conclusion.

Edit: another gem, this time from The Phantom Strikes:

"Chief Sharkey (talking to Kowalski)... this guy is as normal as you are.

Then, pointing to Riley while shrugging: Maybe twice as normal." big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2020 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


The escape from the Island is scored with music from Jonah and the Whale. What is the music played when the missile destroys the Island? Leviathan? Very effective, followed by a snippet of the Goldsmith fanfare leading to a very satisfying conclusion.


There's music from Jonah and the Whale, The Phantom Strikes, then Escape from Venice, The Cyborg, And Five Of Us Are Left, Leviathan finishing off with Jonah again for the Fanfare.Music editors in those days had a hell of a job...

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2020 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


The escape from the Island is scored with music from Jonah and the Whale. What is the music played when the missile destroys the Island? Leviathan? Very effective, followed by a snippet of the Goldsmith fanfare leading to a very satisfying conclusion.


There's music from Jonah and the Whale, The Phantom Strikes, then Escape from Venice, The Cyborg, And Five Of Us Are Left, Leviathan finishing off with Jonah again for the Fanfare.Music editors in those days had a hell of a job...


Thanks. smile

Do you know from which episode this music is (from 47:25):

Deadly Waters:


The Death Watch:

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2020 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

A&C still hasn't listed his favorite episodes.
Must we guess?

What do you think A&C's #1 is?

I'll start by saying it's either "The Terrible Leprechaun" or "Deadly Creature Below".

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2020 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


Do you know from which episode this music is (from 47:25):

Deadly Waters:



That's from The Cyborg when Nelson is tapping his Morse Code message to Crane.

If you meant The Death Watch, that's mostly "The Monster" by Randy Newman (it's on the Lost in Space set) but there's an insert of music I don't recognize but the rest is the Newman piece.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2020 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


Do you know from which episode this music is (from 47:25):

Deadly Waters:



That's from The Cyborg when Nelson is tapping his Morse Code message to Crane.

If you meant The Death Watch, that's mostly "The Monster" by Randy Newman (it's on the Lost in Space set) but there's an insert of music I don't recognize but the rest is the Newman piece.


@ Mr. McOldsmith: Many thanks. smile The 8 1/2 year old me found the scene and music spine-tingling and when the radiation alarm went off, the suspense became unbearable... a bit like the suspense of waiting for our VTTBOTS sets to arrive. big grin

Edit: Going to add the Newman piece to my VTTBOTS playlist.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2020 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

"Deadly Waters" is a cracking good Voyage episode, particularly for the third season. It would have fit in well in the second year just as easily. Writer Robert Vincent Wright usually contributed stories with some emotional depth (The Terrible Toys notwithstanding).

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2020 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

"Deadly Waters" is a cracking good Voyage episode, particularly for the third season. It would have fit in well in the second year just as easily. Writer Robert Vincent Wright usually contributed stories with some emotional depth (The Terrible Toys notwithstanding).

Indeed. Which reminds me. I'd better get cracking on my favo(u)rites list.

Thanks again, Mr. McOldsmith. You are a fountain of knowledge. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2020 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA - music by Paul Sawtell, Jerry GOLDSMITH, Lennie Hayton, Leith Stevens, Alexander Courage and Nelson Riddle


I received mine this morning and i've been listening attentively. Sounds fabulous and the set is beautifully designed along with a great booklet that is well written, informative and complemented with great pics (including the eye-poppingly striking Barbara Bouchet - twice! as well as the stunning Ina Balin, whose beauty left me struck dumb, 45 years ago, and just as much today). There weren't many chicks on VTTBOTS, but Irwin sure knew how to cast them. wink

The fine people at LaLaLand outdid themselves again. Kudos to the entire team, in particular Jeff Bond, whose affection and grasp of the subject material shines through in every note and every paragraph, but also to the great Neil S. Bulk who was, not to put too fine a point on it, masterful.

Of course, there is way more than enough material to justify a volume 2, but then if you know me at all you already know that wink. Here's to volume 1 selling out, and soon. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2020 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


I received mine this morning and i've been listening attentively. Sounds fabulous and the set is beautifully designed along with a great booklet that is well written, informative and complemented with great pics (including the eye-poppingly striking Barbara Bouchet - twice! as well as the stunning Ina Balin, whose beauty left me struck dumb, 45 years ago, and just as much today). There weren't many chicks on VTTBOTS, but Irwin sure knew how to cast them. wink


Hi, A&C.

Was your parcel for this labeled "Fatal Cargo" by the Post Office?

If you wish to ogle photos of Barbara Bouchet, then there are a number of Italian soundtracks from the early 1970s which display her pulchritude.



Would you be willing to offer your thoughts/opinions on "Man-Beast" or "And Five of Us Are Left"?
Since Lennie Hayton has been accused of issuing forth generic/non-descript 'noodling-around' music within Philips & Bailey's VTTBOTS website, I'm curious how you feel about Hayton's "Monster from Outer Space".

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2020 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

@ Mr. ZardozSpeaks: I'm listening to the set at the moment. I'll get back to you tomorrow, promptly.

Thanks for the pic, because as we all know, there can never enough pictures of Barbara Bouchet. What a babe! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2020 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Hello again Mr. ZardozSpeaks:

Thanks for asking for my input on the scores to both "And Five of Us are Left" and "Man-Beast".

I'll start with Mr. Hayton's work. I made a disparaging comment about the score a while back and in retrospect, I was wrong and it was wrong to generalize. My previous remarks were directed to a specific cue, that for better or for worse, I found a bit too "treacly", a style I am not very fond of. Specifically, I was referring mostly to the faux Asian music for Mr. Nakamura, a style I've often found hackneyed and cliched (even when the Great Goldsmith did it). Apart from this minor caveat, the score has many marvellous highlights, chief among them a dynamic new fanfare for the Seaview ("The Seaview"), a nimble theme that practically became the signature for the Flying Sub ("The Flying Sub"), and finally, one of the most rousing and thrilling end of episode fanfares of Voyage's entire run (Homeward Bound"), second only to Jerry Goldsmith's "Seaview heading into the sunset theme". The score is a bit old-fashioned at times, but overall it is a stirring and exciting score by Mr. Hayton. Noodling? I think not!

Second, "Man-Beast" by Leith Stevens is - in my humble opinion - a very fine score that manages to steer clear of Mr. Stevens "regular" style, heading in at times in quasi Bartokian directions, all the while capturing with laser precision the pathos and sadness of the episode, thus elevating a late 4th season episode to the lofty heights of the best stories of seasons 1 & 2. Surprisingly, the music of Voyage remained far more adventurous (Harry Geller's wonderfully twisted music, for instance) than the "monster of the week" direction the show had embarked upon during season 3 and onwards.

I hope that LaLaLand remains just as adventurous in releasing a second volume of VTTBOTS, but even if the Voyage were to end here, the incredible scores that were released are some of the most exciting, clever and original television music of the sixties, or any decade for that matter. Just wonderful. Kudos to the valiant LaLaland team, spearheaded by Mr. Jeff Bond and Mr. Neil S. Bulk.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

A&C still hasn't listed his favorite episodes.
Must we guess?

What do you think A&C's #1 is?

I'll start by saying it's either "The Terrible Leprechaun" or "Deadly Creature Below".


@ ZardozSpeaks: Better late than never.

1) The Return of the Phantom
2) The Enemies
3) The Cyborg
4) The Fear-Makers
5) Deadly Waters
6) The Death Watch
7) No Way Back
8) Leviathan
9) Man of Many Faces
10) The Exile

Favorite scores:

1) Jonah and the Whale
2) The Cyborg
3) Leviathan
4) Monster from the Inferno
5) The Left-Handed Man

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Thanks, A&C.

Our faves are not dissimilar. Half of our lists contain the same episodes (in different order).

I'm curious, though, how A&C assesses soundtracks by Friedhofer and the non-Irwin Allen scores of Sawtell.
While you love the scripts & directors of the black-n-white 1st season, it seems you are less sympathetic towards 'older' Hollywood music styles.

The MMM label & Intrada (& a few others) have championed Sawtell & Shefter albums; what are your thoughts on those in comparison with Sawtell's TV Voyage?

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2021 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Thanks, A&C.

Our faves are not dissimilar. Half of our lists contain the same episodes (in different order).

I'm curious, though, how A&C assesses soundtracks by Friedhofer and the non-Irwin Allen scores of Sawtell.
While you love the scripts & directors of the black-n-white 1st season, it seems you are less sympathetic towards 'older' Hollywood music styles.

The MMM label & Intrada (& a few others) have championed Sawtell & Shefter albums; what are your thoughts on those in comparison with Sawtell's TV Voyage?


In general, I'm more of a Silver Age guy than Golden, with massive, massive exceptions of course. I do have a handful of Sawtell and /or Shefter soundtracks (Jack the Giant Killer, Five Weeks in a Balloon, Kronos, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea - movie), and Voyage is the only one I go back to regularly (for the more impressionistic elements), although I do enjoy all of them.

I'd also have to rewatch the first season of Voyage in order to connect the music to the various composers if I were to give you a more comprehensive answer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2021 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


I'd also have to rewatch the first season of Voyage in order to connect the music to the various composers if I were to give you a more comprehensive answer.


As one of your favorite segments is "The Exile", re-watching it should not be a chore I trust.
This was the final segment that Sawtell wrote for; I recall "The Exile" being a partial score, though, if I remember correctly.

Of course, we are familiar with "Eleven Days to Zero". Here are the other 1st season episodes with music by Sawtell:

"The Village of Guilt"
"The City Beneath the Sea"
"Hot Line"
"Submarine Sank Here"
"Long Live the King"
"The Exile"

Friedhofer completed 2 scores on his own ("The Mist of Silence" & "Turn Back the Clock") but his other 2 assignments ("The Fear-Makers" & "The Price of Doom") were co-composed with Alexander Courage (obstensibly due to time deadlines). Of late, I ponder upon Lionel Newman engaging Lennie Hayton for subsequent seasons to fill the void generated by Friedhofer's departure from Irwin Allen productions.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2021 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


I'd also have to rewatch the first season of Voyage in order to connect the music to the various composers if I were to give you a more comprehensive answer.


As one of your favorite segments is "The Exile", re-watching it should not be a chore I trust.
This was the final segment that Sawtell wrote for; I recall "The Exile" being a partial score, though, if I remember correctly.

Of course, we are familiar with "Eleven Days to Zero". Here are the other 1st season episodes with music by Sawtell:

"The Village of Guilt"
"The City Beneath the Sea"
"Hot Line"
"Submarine Sank Here"
"Long Live the King"
"The Exile"

Friedhofer completed 2 scores on his own ("The Mist of Silence" & "Turn Back the Clock") but his other 2 assignments ("The Fear-Makers" & "The Price of Doom") were co-composed with Alexander Courage (obstensibly due to time deadlines). Of late, I ponder upon Lionel Newman engaging Lennie Hayton for subsequent seasons to fill the void generated by Friedhofer's departure from Irwin Allen productions.


Response on the other side of the board:https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140698&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2021 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

My favorite "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea" scores were the four that Hugo Friedhofer scored (two in collaboration with Alexander Courage, due to Friedhofer's slow work pace), along with Jerry Goldsmith's "Jonah And The Whale"; unfortunately, the Friedhofer score are NOT available on the La La Land C.D. set, which is the reason I decline to purchase it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2021 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

My favorite "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea" scores were the four that Hugo Friedhofer scored (two in collaboration with Alexander Courage, due to Friedhofer's slow work pace), along with Jerry Goldsmith's "Jonah And The Whale"; unfortunately, the Friedhofer score are NOT available on the La La Land C.D. set, which is the reason I decline to purchase it.

@ FilmMusicNow:

I watched several season one episodes this morning, and I agree: Mr. Friedhofer did wrote some great music for the series, and some his beautiful film music was used in subsequent seasons, but I would never forgo my wonderful Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea set for lack of music from season 1. You are missing out on a fantastic collection of music, imho. Perhaps you should reconsider.

BTW - I'm trying to consolidate the Voyage threads on the other side of the board.

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140698&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2021 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

My favorite "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea" scores were the four that Hugo Friedhofer scored (two in collaboration with Alexander Courage, due to Friedhofer's slow work pace), along with Jerry Goldsmith's "Jonah And The Whale"; unfortunately, the Friedhofer score are NOT available on the La La Land C.D. set, which is the reason I decline to purchase it.

@ FilmMusicNow:

I watched several season one episodes this morning, and I agree: Mr. Friedhofer did wrote some great music for the series, and some his beautiful film music was used in subsequent seasons, but I would never forgo my wonderful Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea set for lack of music from season 1. You are missing out on a fantastic collection of music, imho. Perhaps you should reconsider.

BTW - I'm trying to consolidate the Voyage threads on the other side of the board.

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140698&forumID=1&archive=0


Friedhofer referred to his work on the series as "sheer torment" but this doesn't deter that they were fine scores.

 
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