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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3      General Discussion: A Hundred Yards Over the Rim    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2 3       Last Post   Posted:   Jun 3, 2020 - 4:46 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) On the cd suite, the only non-episode fade (more like a very close edit) is at 10:05 when an action cue leads into a harmonica. It's not jarring. That's one crossfade too many. My preference in scores like these is to edit out the annoying parts. I appreciate your checking for me!    Posted:   Jun 3, 2020 - 5:28 PM     By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member) Goldsmith's Twilight Zone/Time Out music reminds me both of his own Seven Days in May and Fred Steiner's St. Valentine's Day Massacre. I realized not long ago that Fred Steiner might be the reason I became such an instant Herrmann fan -- his music often has a Herrmannesque sound, and when I first heard Herrmann's film scores it may have unconsciously reminded me of Steiner's music for the original Star Trek. Steiner's Perry Mason theme is truly one of the all-time greats. That right there is enough to build a career on.    Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 6:21 PM     By:   Howard L   (Member) when I listened to the iso score it was clear that the harmonica cue was relooped/repeated at the end and I found it annoying a la ad nauseam. That was not how it was heard in the picture. At 20 minutes in, Chris returns to the rim, followed by two separate scenes using harmonica. The dvd isolated music track matches the episode audio there. Perhaps you're thinking there's only one harmonica scene at the end. If you're really hearing extra music, then your source made a mistake editing the isolated music. OK--I took the challenge, re-watched the entire ep, and the string of harmonica passages matched the iso track. And I didn't mind it all vs. the stand alone listening experience. So be it. But then I put on the LP and the string is truncated! It ends with the higher key passage followed by the closing flourish. And I think I was so used to hearing that version that I confused it with the film's. I will check out the CD which I believe is just a transfer of what's on the LP.    Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 6:38 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) [OK--I took the challenge, re-watched the entire ep, and the string of harmonica passages matched the iso track. And I didn't mind it all vs. the stand alone listening experience. So be it. But then I put on the LP and the string is truncated! It ends with the higher key passage followed by the closing flourish. And I think I was so used to hearing that version that I confused it with the film's. I will check out the CD which I believe is just a transfer of what's on the LP. No doubt edited for an "easier" listening experience, but with mixed results since they probably removed the flourishes for the same reason. That's why it's better for releases to include everything and let the listener sort it out.    Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 6:51 PM     By:   Howard L   (Member) Precisely. And as a member of the orthodox branch of our film music priesthood I believe it is best, in most cases, to see the film first and hear the music do what it is intended to do. Especially when it's done sooooooooo well.    Posted:   Jun 6, 2020 - 4:41 AM     By:   Les Jepson   (Member) One of my favourite Fred Steiner scores is for TIME LIMIT, a 1957 Cold War drama that was directed by Karl Malden. The film is a sort of precursor to THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE. The opening cue, set in North Korea, is amazing.    Posted:   Jun 6, 2020 - 6:08 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) The score in general is good, resembling his TWZone style. It's more of a POW genre film (playing POWs' suspicions off each other with fatal results). The Fearmakers (1958) is a closer cousin to Manchurian Candidate, but anyway... This is one of Steiner's few, rare film scores. Would be great if it could be found and released. I looked thru the Fred Steiner papers on the BYU website. There are audiotapes listed for some TV shows and TV movies, but nothing for "Time Limit." "Run for the Sun" (1956) was there. Expand the menu under "Fred Steiner music compositions" and keep expanding to get to "Fred Steiner motion picture compositions" and "Fred Steiner television compositions" to find titles, expand those to find if they include audiotapes. http://archives.lib.byu.edu/repositories/14/archival_objects/136049    Posted:   Jun 6, 2020 - 10:05 AM     By:   Jeff Bond   (Member) When I spoke to Fred I mentioned some of his approach reminding me of Herrmann's and he got a little annoyed by that. He said that one of the reasons he used so many repeating figures in Star Trek was to make his music easier to edit. One of the reasons I loved A Hundred Yards Over the Rim immediately was it as the first and only way at the time to hear a little bit of Star Trek underscore--some of the quiet music for plucked strings and celeste was very similar to Steiner's scoring of the card trick scene in "Charlie X."    Posted:   Jun 6, 2020 - 11:21 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) I hear something more like Herrmann's "The Stars" than AHOTR in that Charlie X scene. I'm also trying to gauge the color of the music i.e. it was the "inexplicable" and bewilderment of Christian Horn, what/whose point of view here did Steiner have in mind? May be something on the order of the mysterious ("What is Charlie up to?") emanating from Janice and crewmates. Not to mention the viewer. Or it could be a simple mood music enhancement. Either way, it works.    Posted:   Jun 6, 2020 - 9:39 PM     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member) I have the complete series Blu-ray box, as yet unwatched for time-management reasons. I just checked the special features though, and apparently I have the iso score for AHYOTR. I definitely want to check that out, because my only TZ music on CD is the 1985 Varese album, which does not include this episode.    Posted:   Jun 7, 2020 - 9:34 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) Hey, ZB! Long time no talk. Anyway, please take the challenge and watch the episode first, then hit the iso score. Am interested in your feedback. Att: Scott B Are you perchance also the same person who posted under "Scott" at MovieMusic.com?    Posted:   Jun 7, 2020 - 2:36 PM     By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member) I am not the "Scott" at Movie Music. I am only Scott Bettencourt at FSM. Everyone else calls me "Bob" or "Robert" (and I don't post at other sites).    Posted:   Jun 7, 2020 - 2:39 PM     By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member) Watching the first season of original Star Trek on DVD, most of them for the first time in decades (though I saw all of them endlessly in my formative years - as a middle schooler, I could list all 79 episodes in original airing order), am blown away by how great the first half of season one was. And I think Charlie X is arguably the greatest Trek episode ever (take that, Harlan Ellison). (I've read at least one #MeToo-ish story about Ellison, but not remotely as bad as what I've read about Forrest Ackerman. Ouch).    Posted:   Jun 8, 2020 - 7:54 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) I am not the "Scott" at Movie Music. I am only Scott Bettencourt at FSM. Everyone else calls me "Bob" or "Robert" (and I don't post at other sites). Of course. Forgive the creeping senility. Uptick in symptoms lately.    Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 7:14 AM     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member) Well, I've played "A Hundred Yards" a couple of times, and I have to say this is quintessential Twilight Zone scoring. The mystery music, the middle section that comes after the harmonica cues, is my favorite part. Musically, this is the very stuff of being lost in the spooky b&w world of a TZ episode, a feeling I remember having as a kid. And then the chase has some highly exciting moments as well. Also I'm thinking this Blu-ray box is a real treasure chest, to have so many iso scores that I haven't touched yet. The sound quality of AHYOTR is very clear and pleasing, too. This is going to be a great set when I really have the time for watching my collection!    Posted:   Feb 17, 2024 - 6:55 PM     By:   Howard L   (Member) Rewatched it this evening and am amazed at the power of everything already mentioned to continue to pull me in over a now-sixty-year span. Robertson, Steiner, the location filming...bruddah.     General Discussion: A Hundred Yards Over the Rim    << < 1 2 3  >   Go to page:  1 2 3   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3

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