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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4      Non-Film Score Discussion: Aliens     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   May 4, 2020 - 8:07 PM     By:   Moonlit   (Member) I thought in Alien Ripley became iconic because of her character's natural progression with action and leadership. In the sequel I got tired of Cameron taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope towards rescuing the little girl. As one said, good hardware, but that part written in I found annoying. Of course Bill Paxton was great too (albeit annoying as all hell too). I'll stick with Alien as the best. It had the slow reveal like all great horror does.    Posted:   May 4, 2020 - 8:13 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) I thought in Alien Ripley became iconic because of her character's natural progression with action and leadership. In the sequel I got tired of Cameron taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope towards rescuing the little girl. As one said, good hardware, but that part written in I found annoying. Of course Bill Paxton was great too (albeit annoying as all hell too). I'll stick with Alien as the best. It had the slow reveal like all great horror does. Completely different movie and all for the better. You can't do a straight sequel to Alien. The horror element is gone. Ripley saving the girl gave her motivation and made her an endearing character. They're both perfect for what they wanted to be. Yes, Paxton character was annoying but so were all the marines, but I got past that. My only real criticism was duplicating the double climax like the first film. Wasn't necessary.    Posted:   May 4, 2020 - 8:34 PM     By:   Moonlit   (Member) I thought in Alien Ripley became iconic because of her character's natural progression with action and leadership. In the sequel I got tired of Cameron taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope towards rescuing the little girl. As one said, good hardware, but that part written in I found annoying. Of course Bill Paxton was great too (albeit annoying as all hell too). I'll stick with Alien as the best. It had the slow reveal like all great horror does. Completely different movie and all for the better. You can't do a straight sequel to Alien. The horror element is gone. Ripley saving the girl gave her motivation and made her an endearing character. They're both perfect for what they wanted to be. Yes, Paxton character was annoying but so were all the marines, but I got past that. My only real criticism was duplicating the double climax like the first film. Wasn't necessary. Blah, you no fun. Still the second best IMO. Resurrection the last LOL. Not much question which is the best score.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 4:41 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I'm not sure I understand your criticism, Moonlit. Cameron is known for having strong, female characters in his films (much like Scott), and displays that wonderfully in ALIENS, as Ripley connects to her motherhood now that her own daughter has died. I just don't see the "taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope" that you describe. In general, I worship both films almost equally, and for different reasons.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 5:30 AM     By:   Octoberman   (Member) Hey, wait--I like "Resurrection". The only real negative in it is the trainwreck that is Winona Ryder. If you can just ignore her, then it's a decent flick.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 5:32 AM     By:   Moonlit   (Member) I'm not sure I understand your criticism, Moonlit. Cameron is known for having strong, female characters in his films (much like Scott), and displays that wonderfully in ALIENS, as Ripley connects to her motherhood now that her own daughter has died. I just don't see the "taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope" that you describe. In general, I worship both films almost equally, and for different reasons. I just question whether the little girl was even necessary in an action/horror film. I know Ripley's a strong "female," but did I really need her to be this heroic savior by saving the little girl?    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 6:06 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) I'm not sure I understand your criticism, Moonlit. Cameron is known for having strong, female characters in his films (much like Scott), and displays that wonderfully in ALIENS, as Ripley connects to her motherhood now that her own daughter has died. I just don't see the "taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope" that you describe. In general, I worship both films almost equally, and for different reasons. I agree with Thor for the forth time. Will he take me off ignore?    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 6:54 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I just question whether the little girl was even necessary in an action/horror film. I know Ripley's a strong "female," but did I really need her to be this heroic savior by saving the little girl? Yes, I think so. It's the very heart of the story, and the entire narrative propellant for the last half of the film.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 7:00 AM     By:   Rameau   (Member) Game over man!    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 7:57 AM     By:   Khan   (Member) I just question whether the little girl was even necessary in an action/horror film. I know Ripley's a strong "female," but did I really need her to be this heroic savior by saving the little girl? Yes, I think so. It's the very heart of the story, and the entire narrative propellant for the last half of the film. Especially considering Ripley finds out her own daughter has died at the beginning of the film while she was in hypersleep after the events of ALIEN.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 7:58 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) Especially considering Ripley finds out her own daughter has died at the beginning of the film while she was in hypersleep after the events of ALIEN. Yes, I mentioned that earlier. To be fair, it's only in the extended cut, but at this point I consider the extended cut the only 'proper' way to see the film.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 8:26 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I thought in Alien Ripley became iconic because of her character's natural progression with action and leadership. In the sequel I got tired of Cameron taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope towards rescuing the little girl. Considering Ridley wanted to kill of Ripley at the end, you're lucky she showed up in ALIENS. Maybe a slow-horror sequel would have had her pod crash back on the planet, and she had to deal with a hybrid plot between ALIEN and some of the sequels. Personally I prefer ALIENS. Once the alien shows up in the original, it's just another slasher film, except for the android who foreshadows a sequel when he confesses there's a corporate interest in the alien.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 10:00 AM     By:   Moonlit   (Member) Especially considering Ripley finds out her own daughter has died at the beginning of the film while she was in hypersleep after the events of ALIEN. Yes, I mentioned that earlier. To be fair, it's only in the extended cut, but at this point I consider the extended cut the only 'proper' way to see the film. I never even knew that existed, so for me it isn't canon.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 10:05 AM     By:   Moonlit   (Member) I thought in Alien Ripley became iconic because of her character's natural progression with action and leadership. In the sequel I got tired of Cameron taking her by the hand down the sentimental slope towards rescuing the little girl. Considering Ridley wanted to kill of Ripley at the end, you're lucky she showed up in ALIENS. Maybe a slow-horror sequel would have had her pod crash back on the planet, and she had to deal with a hybrid plot between ALIEN and some of the sequels. I'm probably nitpicking. The slow-horror was a one-and-done deal.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 10:23 AM     By:   joan hue   (Member) ALIEN will always be my favorite of the franchise. My second love is ALIENS. I think her relationship with Newt works. It humanizes her a bit more. She was a warrior in Alien trying to survive. In Aliens she is still a warrior and also a fighter who cares about others. Also, I think the "motherhood" theme is reinforced by the Queen Alien who has her babies destroyed by Ripley.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 10:47 AM     By:   TominAtl   (Member) Both Alien and Aliens are equally excellent and both rank equally for me in terms of quality for their own genre. Alien is an outright horror/thriller that works on so many levels and was so way ahead of its time in terms of style and quality. The pacing was different, score was spot on, Academy Award winning special effects, and they threw away some standard horror trappings, including having a strong heroine who survives. It was a class A production for what is truly a B grade story and it knocked it out of the park. Aliens created something of it's own type of hybrid genre: the horror/action film. And it upped the ante with our damaged heroine who basically is brought back to herself with the arrival of a orphan for whom she begins to ferociously protect. Aliens really had no business being as good as it was. An action sequel to one of the greatest horror films and pulls it off nearly seamlessly. Cameron adds on to the original story elements of the original, including the "twitchy" androids subplot, the vile corporation, and adding hundreds of the alien that took out an entire ship in the original and now took out an entire colony. The piece de resistance that brought Aliens to classic status is of course, the Queen vs Ripley. From concept and design to execution of the finale is one of the greatest climaxes in film history. The fact that on a tight budget Cameron and the crew were able to design a life sized mechanical monster that was jaw dropping. And the final incorporates that mechanical beast with miniatures that even to this day, after god knows how many viewings, is virtually impossible to tell the difference. So if you are indeed viewing ALIENS as a horror film, you will be disappointed. It has horror elements(jump scares, gore shots, and wonderfully moody cinematography by Adrian Biddle) but the suspenseful action set pieces run the show, propelled by James Horner's thrilling score. But a horror film this is not.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 10:48 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I never even knew that existed, so for me it isn't canon. It's Cameron's preferred version. And also mine.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 11:33 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I never even knew that existed, so for me it isn't canon. It's Cameron's preferred version. And also mine. Oh, jesus.    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 11:50 AM     By:   Moonlit   (Member) I never even knew that existed, so for me it isn't canon. It's Cameron's preferred version. And also mine. Oh, jesus. Well now I know    Posted:   May 5, 2020 - 12:00 PM     By:   Thor   (Member) What are you talking about?     Non-Film Score Discussion: Aliens    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4

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