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Yavar, your encyclopedic knowledge and diligent research continues to amaze me.
(Oh, and without having heard a single note, I would vote for "Thriller"--if for no other reason then that an anthology series would normally give him to greatest opportunity to stretch his wings.)
Aw, thanks for the kind words! Would you like to vote for anything else after Thriller as your #1 pick (and it is indeed a very good one -- listen to those podcast episodes I shared to find out how good!)
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MacArthur please - preferably with the album re-recording included on a second disc.
That would be wonderful and would fit the pattern of other such new definitive editions from UMG & Universal Pictures.
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The 6 episode scores and Main Theme from The Waltons is way, way above everything else for me.
While I would be curious to hear all that unreleased stuff from the 60s and early 70s, I'd trade all of them in for his Waltons scores being found and worked upon.
They are SUPER good scores (are we sure Jerry only did six after the pilot telemovie? I thought it might have been seven or even more) -- at least you didn't say you'd trade in the 50s scores too so we'd still be able to have Black Patch and Face of a Fugitive, my top 2 wants. 
I think that with The Waltons Jerry hit a record number of episode scores for a series with recurring characters (i.e. not an anthology show like Thriller or The Twilight Zone). I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong but he "only" did a half dozen Gunsmokes which is the next closest I am fairly certain. A Waltons set would be incredible.
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- BLACK PATCH (my numero uno if only because it's his first score)
- FACE OF A FUGITIVE (well, it's his second!  - no, actually I heard the samples at the Odyssey podcast and I'm sold)
- THE WALTONS (a re-rec of this IMHO essential Jerry work would be great!)
- THE PUBLIC EYE (no, I ain't got the faintest idea what it sounds like but the fact that it was written in the same year as "Basic Instinct", "Love Field", "Medicine Man" and "Mom and Dad" intrigues me!...)
Re: FACE OF A FUGITIVE -- that's what we at The Goldsmith Odyssey love to hear! 
Re: THE PUBLIC EYE -- yeah, no kidding! What a great and varied year in Jerry's output! It also included quality work (though I think you listed the four greatest) for Forever Young, and the often-derided but still interesting to me Gladiator and Mr. Baseball.
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I dream in sets, and like the variety the TV shows offer, as well.
Sorry, Yavar.
David, my friend, I LOVE your list! No need to apologize...but I frankly have no idea how to "score" it when tallying up points, when you combine more than one title in a "place". So I would probably have to skip the combo stuff in my calculations, sadly. See, the way it works is I tally 10 points for everyone's #1 pick, 9 points for everyone's #2, and on and on down to 1 point for the #10 picks. While I love the box set suggestions (and I certainly hope those that can be produced, are produced -- it will probably need to be grouped by studio/licensor rather than thematically as you have here though) I just don't know what to do with "the one-offs set" when tallying up this poll, mathematically. 2nd place is supposed to get 9 points -- so do I divide that up 11 ways? Give .82 points to each of those things, and so on for the other proposed sets? It certainly wouldn't be fair to tally up 9 points for EACH of them, and thus let you get far more than the 55 points everyone else is allowed to allocate with their top 10 lists... you see my dilemma?
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... you see my dilemma?
Ergo my advance apology.
I'm totally fine losing points for sets, or you giving them their divided allotment, or ignoring my list - whatever. You never know, the .4 may make a difference for one or two of them!
But I was just dreaming aloud, so no worries any way you take or dismiss it.
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Well your original (great) list is here, and won’t be ignored, discussion wise — but would you be willing to do a new list for actual vote tallying purposes for me? I would like to include your vote as you would most like it to be tallied (again 1st place gets 10 points, 10th place gets 1 point).
Again, even if much of your wants list isn’t likely to happen because of mixed studios and rights, that doesn’t mean that if those weren’t an issue, your ideas wouldn’t be exactly what I want too!
Yavar
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1. The Jerry Goldsmith CBS Library Music - all of it, whole and clear, well sorted, too.
2. General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962)
3. The Public Eye (1992) (unused score)
4. Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966)
5. MacArthur (1977)
6. Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962)
7. Anna and the King (eight episodes) (1972)
8. Black Patch (1957 - 33:33 of score)
9. Face of a Fugitive (1959 - 31:15 of score)
10. Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971, 24:38 of score)
My list is more based on interest at the top, and more based on amount of music at the bottom. Lotta estimates there.
I guess the highest to lowest amounts of music like this:
Multiple episode shows
The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973)
Destry (three episodes) (1964)
Have Gun - Will Travel (two episodes) (1960)
Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962)
Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964)
Film length programs
Crawlspace (1972, 22:05 of score)
Pursuit (1972, 21:23 of score)
The Man (1972, 13:26 of score)
Indict and Convict (1974)
Single episode programs
Rawhide (one episode: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere") (1961)
The Legend of Jesse James (one episode: "Things Don't Just Happen") (1961),
87th Precinct (one episode: "Step Forward") (1962)
Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963)
Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963)
Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963)
CBS Playhouse ("The People Next Door") (1968)
Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970)
The General with the Cockeyed Id (short film) (1964)
Hollywood Television Theater ("The Hemingway Play") (possibly a theme only?) (1976)
The Sergeant and the Lady
World in White
The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio
The Expendables
Tomorrow's Newspaper (unsold pilot: "All Day to Live") (1961)
Prudence and the Chief (1970)
Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972)
The Best of Times (1974)
Themes
Dusty (1983)
H.E.L.P. Theme
Black Saddle Theme (1959, uncredited)
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Wow that is thorough and helpful David — I will use your top list for vote tallying, but the rest is extremely interesting too. And brilliant addition at your #1 spot — I hadn’t even thought of including that, though now of course we know there is more of it than ever!
Yavar
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Sadly it seems like Bryon was right when he said, "people care about expansions more than premieres"...this thread hasn't been nearly as popular as the other I started recently, possibly because so many of Goldsmith's scores that remain completely unreleased are relatively obscure. But if anyone still wants to vote for some of these, do so soon and I will tally up the votes!
Yavar
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Well, what the heck, Thor? Go ahead and throw the TV projects onto your list, even if you have ulterior Williams motives.
Let's be perfectly frank: NO WAY is any label producing a set of Wagon Train or General Electric Theater, and NOT including every single surviving note composed by both Williams and Goldsmith.
And who knows if Ben Casey or its spinoff Breaking Point are high profile enough to justify a release, but if they do happen, once again I guarantee you every note by both Johnny and Jerry will be on there...Jerry's scores for those series aren't enough to fill up an entire disc on their own, so who else do you think is going to be prioritized besides JOHN WILLIAMS? (Of course, it's possible Williams himself might nix a release of this early obscure material like he did with The Rare Breed and Storia di Una Donna? But we might as well dream big...)
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Well, what the heck, Thor? Go ahead and throw the TV projects onto your list, even if you have ulterior Williams motives.
Let's be perfectly frank: NO WAY is any label producing a set of Wagon Train or General Electric Theater, and NOT including every single surviving note composed by both Williams and Goldsmith.
Sure, absolutely. Throw everything in there. Then my list would look something like this, I guess:
1. CHRYSLER THEATER (if it also includes the Williams)
2. GENERAL ELECTRIC THEATER (if it also includes the Williams)
3. KRAFT MYSTERY THEATER (if it also includes the Williams)
4. WAGON TRAIN (this already has three Williams tracks released, but fuller episode scores would be neat)
5. BEN CASEY (only one Williams episode, but it needs to be there)
6. BREAKING POINT (only one Williams episode, but it needs to be there)
7. BLACK PATCH
8. FACE OF A FUGITIVE
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Gosh, this is pretty difficult to rank in order... I'm not going to do that yet. Just a couple of comments off the top of my head - Of the feature films, I remember seeing parts of both SHAMUS and THE DON IS DEAD and being VERY impressed with the (sparse?) scores. I might put these two just ahead of his early westerns BLACK PATCH and FACE OF A FUGITIVE.
His TV Movies (stuff like PURSUIT) are all mostly great. I'm always really amazed when I dip into the recordings that have been released of his TV Movies/series from that era (POLICE STORY, BARNABY JONES, BROTHERHOOD OF THE BELL, A STEP OUT OF LINE...) - It would have been so easy for him to say, "Bugger this, I'm not going to put much effort into something nobody's gonna even notice". Oh but we did/do, Jerry, some of us.
THRILLER has been mentioned. Y'know, I think I'd put a release of the original tracks way up near the top of the list. I do like the Tadlows very much, but for me they lack the edginess of the originals, which were all great.
And to finish for now on something I've mentioned before - I always tend to think of JG's "greatest period" being from about '65 to '79. I keep putting that starting date back though. The stuff on the EARLY YEARS release (the one with Playhouse 90, The Lineup and stuff on it) is phenomenal. I'm also working my way through the original seasons of The Twilight Zone again, and quite often there'll be a tracked episode which, when I do my "research" at the Tapatalk Cafe (or whatever it's called) turns out to be from some obscure '50s TV drama thing.
So, probably not much help to you Yavar in your statistics, but as a few random thoughts from "the man down the (closed) pub" they might be useful. You could bring this topic up next time you're on Zoom. I could hardly hear you the last time. What were you doing standing in the middle of a hurricane?
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The 6 episode scores and Main Theme from The Waltons is way, way above everything else for me.
While I would be curious to hear all that unreleased stuff from the 60s and early 70s, I'd trade all of them in for his Waltons scores being found and worked upon.
I must agree with this. I’ve heard a few decent re-recordings of the theme, but none perfect. That and and the actual scores must surely deserve preservation.
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1. Shamus
2. Pursuit
3. The Don is Dead
4. Thriller
5. The Waltons
6. Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate
7. Crawlspace
8. Lights Out
9. The Salamander
10. Gunsmoke
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THE MAN
FACE OF A FUGITIVE
PUBLIC EYE
SHAMUS
BLACK PATCH
This looks about right for me, too.
SCOTT
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All great ....thanks Yavar
Certainly, my pleasure! But would you do me the favor of re-submitting your own original list in this thread, in the priority you desire? If not I guess I will take your list of premieres from the other thread and assume you listed them in the order of priority. But remember you can choose up to 10 (ranked).
Yavar
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