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Well Thor and moolik -- this thread is for you! You know what? I agree with you that unreleased scores are most exciting. So why haven't I done this poll before? For the simple reasons that 1) many of these scores have been declared "lost" and there's little hope of getting them and 2) this is a more complex undertaking than talking about expansions of titles Varese controls. That said, Intrada just released Goldsmith's score to Take Her, She's Mine, which has been declared lost/unsalvageable for almost two decades now -- so anything is possible and there is always hope!
In the spirit of that, here's a poll for ONLY unreleased Goldsmith scores you hope get released next. The rules (and why are there rules, Thor? Because I feel like it and I'm the one starting the thread and the one who's going to have to deal with calculating the vote totals  ) are as follows:
1. The score must have its original recording totally unreleased. Less than 20 minutes included on Varese's expensive and OOP Goldsmith at Fox box? Doesn't matter: S*P*Y*S, Anna and the King, and A Tree Grows in Brooklyn do *not* qualify. However, unlicensed/unofficial releases do not count, so a score like The General with the Cockeyed Id does still qualify.
2. However, something like Shamus still qualifies despite a label like BSX producing a new recording of the theme, because the film recording is still totally unreleased. And, by this same logic, I will be including scores where the film recordings have remained unreleased (some of which like Hour of the Gun and The Last Run are because they are (apparently) lost, but others like MacArthur might exist but have just never been put out) -- this also means that Thriller and The Salamander will make the list, despite the fine new Tadlow recordings.
3. TV series are a bit tricky to handle -- I have decided they only be included in this list if no music from the series as a whole has been released. So something like Perry Mason is not included, because while one of Jerry's two scores for the series is totally unreleased ("The Case of Paul Drake's Dilemma"), his other score for the series ("The Case of the Blushing Pearls") has in fact been released in full. I agonized a bit over this approach, but if we included every unreleased episodic score with a separate entry on this list (which would be reasonable since Goldsmith usually took a different approach with every episodic score even when written for the same series), things would get really out of hand and unmanageable for me when tallying -- as you're about to see, the options here are already complex enough! I will also be excluding all live TV shows including Tales of Tomorrow, Climax!, Studio One, and Peck's Bad Girl, because the scores *never* existed on tape, having all been performed live to the actors acting on set rather than being recorded afterwards. Sure, some of these may have been re-recorded later for CBS library music purposes (in fact we know at least two of Jerry's Playhouse 90 scores were), but in that case they are not the original performances and are still excluded.
4. For now, I will not include any of Jerry's radio work, because records of his credits in that medium are so spotty and it's basically ALL unreleased (and likely to remain that way, because most if not all of it was performed live). I think no one is likely to vote for it anyway, despite its quality. I suppose I could include the INCREDIBLE "1489 Words" score he wrote, and some people might actually vote for that (including me)... but since that was basically a series of four concert works designed as pieces with narrator and orchestra, this is the *one* radio score I don't necessarily consider "unreleased" Though I would LOVE for a new recording to be produced -- this poll is about unreleased original recordings, not about what Goldsmith score you want to see newly recorded -- I already did that poll in fact, right here:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=93066&archive=0
We will again do a RANKED CHOICE TOP TEN vote -- moolik, that means that the cool "EVERYTHING THAT IS UNRELEASED" list you posted in the other thread, you need to number in order of preference. Here are the options, as far as I can see them. But there's quite a bit of unreleased TV work so if I missed something, feel free to let me know! For now I am leaving Lilies of the Field and QBVII off because I'm not entirely certain whether the existing half hour album under Goldsmith's baton is the original recording or a unique album recording like Masada (but if anyone knows for sure that's the case with those two scores, let me know and I will add them):
Black Patch (1957) -- his first feature score; my complete score breakdown with hopeful "advance liner notes":
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=119663&forumID=1&archive=0
The Goldsmith Odyssey podcast episode on the score, playing the highlights:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/656592-episode-1-black-patch-1957
The Sergeant and the Lady (unsold pilot episode) (1958) -- The Goldsmith Odyssey podcast on this, with every cue played in full for your consideration:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/723107-episode-7-peck-s-bad-girl-1959-the-sergeant-and-the-lady-1958
A four minute excerpt of this pilot, on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-6jFuHbIPg
World in White (unsold pilot) (1959) -- Thanks to generous collector and FSM board member Ron Burbella, The Goldsmith Odyssey will be covering this rarity later this year as a prelude to Dr. Kildare...some of you may have seen this with Ron a few years back when he showed it in L.A.
Face of a Fugitive (1959) -- his third feature score (second western); my complete score breakdown with hopeful "advance liner notes":
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=113490&forumID=1&archive=0
The Goldsmith Odyssey podcast episode on the score, playing the highlights:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/673893-episode-3-face-of-a-fugitive-1959-toccata-1958
General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962) -- IMDb credits him with only six episodes of this famed anthology series, but they fail to mention "My Dark Days" Part 2: "Aftermath" (which we assume he scored since he did Part 1: "Prelude", which we have at The Goldsmith Odyssey) and "The Legend That Walks Like a Man", which we have and covered recently (playing every cue) on Episode 25 of The Goldsmith Odyssey:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/3370174-episode-25-the-legend-that-walks-like-a-man-general-electric-theater-1961
The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio (1960) -- The Goldsmith Odyssey podcast has been searching and searching for this with no luck so far. IMDb lists it as a "TV movie" but we think it may have been an unsold pilot which possibly aired as an episode of the Buick-Electra Playhouse.
Have Gun - Will Travel (two episodes) (1960) -- The Goldsmith Odyssey podcast on both of these fine unreleased scores, playing every cue for your consideration:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/927433-episode-16-have-gun-will-travel-flaming-star-1960
Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962) -- In terms of confirmed episode credits (our knowledge of stuff like Climax and Playhouse 90 is incomplete), Goldsmith scored more episodes of this anthology series than any other. Tadlow has produced newly recorded suites for two thirds of Jerry's episode scores, and reconstructionist Leigh Phillips hopes to do a third and final volume for the remaining unreleased scores. However, the original recordings remain totally unreleased, though in my conversation with Robert Townson for The Goldsmith Odyssey, he seemed to think that Universal likely had tapes in their vaults:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1301242-odyssey-interviews-robert-townson-part-1
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1361503-odyssey-interviews-robert-townson-part-2
The Goldsmith Odyssey podcasts has covered three of these sixteen episodes so far, playing the unreleased original recordings from the DVD set's isolated music & effects track:
The Poisoner: http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/944720-episode-17-thriller-the-poisoner-1961
The Cheaters: http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1077269-episode-18-thriller-the-cheaters-1960
Hay-Fork and Bill-Hook: http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/2372264-episode-23-thriller-hay-fork-and-bill-hook-1961
Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966) -- Goldsmith's work for this CBS series is superb and surprisingly varied; since the show lasted for 20 years (with scores by many famous composers) a box set is probably a daunting prospect for any label, but if they just wanted to produce a CD of Goldsmith's half dozen scores alone, they would neatly fit on a single CD. And we know they survive in the CBS vaults... and out of them. Thanks to collector Ron Burbella, The Goldsmith Odyssey podcast has been able to cover five of Goldsmith's six episodes so far in full, premiering every cue in music-only form for our listeners:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/853743-episode-14-gunsmoke-doc-judge-the-blacksmith-the-wake-1960
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1958638-episode-22-gunsmoke-love-thy-neighbor-old-faces-1961
The Expendables (unsold pilot?) (1961) -- from a FB conversation I had with Jon Burlingame: "Confirmed! JG scored The Expendables in March 61 for Screen Gems. Discovered in my notes from reviewing his Composers Guild entries (examined when I was writing my book back in the early '90s). Now if only we could find the damn thing."
Tomorrow's Newspaper (unsold pilot: "All Day to Live") (1961) -- UCLA has it on video and confirms credit: https://cinema.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=171&recCount=50&recPointer=204&bibId=125493
Rawhide (one episode: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere") (1961) -- We will be covering Goldsmith's sole score for this hourlong show in a few months; for now FSM board member Justin Boggan cut two suites of the music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vFQw76Iclg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNc8eXpCRdc
Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962) -- Watch both episodes (in so-so quality) online here:
The Ah Chong Story: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n5q64
The Wagon Train Mutiny: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n5phr
87th Precinct (one episode: "Step Forward") (1962) -- This has been commercially released and Goldsmith's credit confirmed; he wrote it as a favor for his friend Morton Stevens who scored the majority of the show and wrote the theme.
Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963) -- watch it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBqPyR5gElE
Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963) -- This is a fascinating and unique score to an interesting Serling-written anthology pilot episode; I can't wait to cover it on The Goldsmith Odyssey!
Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963) -- This is a different episode from that which Goldsmith is credited with on IMDb. It's possible that he did more than one episode score for the series but this is the only one we have acquired and been able to confirm.
Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964) -- A Ben Casey spinoff show; all sources seem to confirm two episodes, which we have acquired and confirmed Goldsmith's credit on.
Destry (three episodes) (1964) -- These have been commercially released and Goldsmith's onscreen credit (and musical signature) confirmed.
The General with the Cockeyed Id (short film) (1964) -- An unmentionable exists but hopefully someday the complete score can be premiered officially in good sound.
The Legend of Jesse James (one episode: "Things Don't Just Happen") (1961) -- The Goldsmith Odyssey is still desperately searching for this on video to hear the score, but at some point a few years ago someone had it in their possession and confirmed Jerry's screen credit on this sole episode of the series.
Hour of the Gun (1967) -- The original film recording (with a larger orchestra than the LP) remains unreleased because of lost tapes; the Twilight Time Blu-ray featured an isolated music and effects track.
CBS Playhouse ("The People Next Door") (1968) -- The Goldsmith Odyssey acquired this extreme rarity and will cover it eventually; it features a proto-version of the Chinatown theme!
Prudence and the Chief (unsold pilot) (1970) -- Excellent unreleased western score; in fact the major key secondary theme in Rio Lobo originated in this score! Thanks to collector Ron Burbella, The Goldsmith Odyssey will be covering this eventually, probably paired with the pilot score to Anna and the King...some of you may have seen this with Ron a few years back when he showed it in L.A.
Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970) -- watch a truncated version of the episode here (The Goldsmith Odyssey acquired and will be covering the complete episode):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgoVmOCbZjQ
Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971) -- my complete score breakdown (matched to film on YouTube):
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116974&forumID=1&archive=0
Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972) -- this was apparently going to be the pilot for a show, but I believe was aired as a one-off TV movie. While The Goldsmith Odyssey has searched and searched for it, we have come up empty so far, but it was apparently so memorable that the reviews on IMDb are an interesting read; I hope it shows up some day!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068857/reviews?ref_=tt_urv
Crawlspace (1972) -- great score; my complete score breakdown (matched to film on YouTube) with hopeful "advance liner notes":
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116952&forumID=1&archive=0
The Last Run (1972) -- Lukas Kendall confirmed the film recording of this score is apparently lost, although the re-recording for LP album was fairly faithful.
The Man (1972) -- my complete score breakdown (matched to film on YouTube) with hopeful "advance liner notes":
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=113568&forumID=1&archive=0
Pursuit (1972) -- Lukas Kendall confirmed lost years ago; my complete score breakdown (matched to film on YouTube) with hopeful "advance liner notes":
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117275&forumID=1&archive=0
Shamus (1973) -- Lukas Kendall confirmed lost years ago
The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973) -- While the 1971 TV movie The Homecoming which ultimately led to this series has been released, it did not feature Jerry's famous theme and none of Jerry's work on the show proper has been released (apparently because it is all lost). I did a complete score breakdown on one of Jerry's fine episode scores for this series ("The Ceremony", featuring some of his superb scoring in a Jewish idiom):
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117025&forumID=1&archive=0
The Don Is Dead (1973) -- This was never said to be lost; I suspect it just needs to be rescued from the Universal vaults, like Thriller and the film recording of MacArthur!
Indict and Convict (1974) -- TV movie with William Shatner and Eli Wallach has been up on YouTube in full but currently there's only an excerpt and the main and end credits (these uploaded by zooba):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepgx3M9pq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a6yCDIQSzY
The Best of Times (unsold pilot) (1974) -- UCLA has it on video in their library and confirms credit:
https://cinema.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=137&recCount=50&recPointer=34&bibId=143501
https://cinema.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=137&recCount=50&recPointer=259&bibId=159724
Hollywood Television Theater (1976) (theme only) -- Goldsmith did not score any of this series of plays adapted for TV (though the series did claim such distinguished composers as Lyn Murray and Lee Holdridge), but he did score the unique title sequence designed by Saul Bass, with some of his most unique music:
https://youtu.be/7W31fFHS9Og
MacArthur (1977) -- Doug Fake confirmed to me that the existing album is a re-recording made for LP.
The Salamander (1981) -- The Tadlow recording is great but the original recording under Goldsmith's baton apparently remains lost.
Dusty (unsold pilot?) (1983) -- This is unconfirmed, but some reports list this as an unaired pilot Goldsmith scored (unusual for him to do one in the mid-80s though).
The Public Eye (1992) (unused score) -- It was confirmed that a DAT of this score sent to Jerry by recording engineer Mike Ross-Trevor was found in the past couple of years and is being worked on by a label, but you can still vote for it as the premiere you're most excited for! And for anyone who asks: the unused scores Jerry wrote for Babe (1995) and The Kid (2000) are not included here because they never made it to the recording stage and tapes *never* existed -- if you want to vote for them then bump this thread about new recordings:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=93066&archive=0
Jerry also contributed themes to Black Saddle (1959, uncredited) and his son Joel's TV projects H.E.L.P. (1990) and Brotherhood of the Gun (aka Hollister) (1991), which remain unreleased. I suppose these can be voted for as well, even though his contribution to each project doesn't amount to more than 90 seconds...and hell, then I guess one could also vote to have his scores for the 7-Eleven Olympics ads released, or even original logo/fanfare music he wrote, so I may be opening a can of worms for myself. 
Oh! Here's MY Top Ten Wants for Unreleased Goldsmith:
1. Black Patch
2. Face of a Fugitive
3. The Public Eye (no, I haven't heard it -- but Ross-Trevor described it as having a "dark Chinatown vibe" so I'm sold)
4. Crawlspace
5. "A Killing at Sundial" (pilot episode of Chrysler Theater)
6. Shamus
7. Pursuit
8. The Man
9. The Don Is Dead
10. The Best of Times (no, I haven't heard it -- but UCLA says, "Topol plays a carpenter who heads an immigrant family living on the Lower East Side of New York in 1912." I wanna hear what THAT Goldsmith score sounds like! Maybe a Fox TV three-fer premiering this and Prudence and the Chief, with a complete version of A Tree Grows in Brooklyn...how about it, Intrada? )
Yavar
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Wow, that was fast (and good list, though you are free to vote for up to ten)! I'm going to assume you've listed those in order of priority, since this is a ranked choice vote.
Yavar
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All my votes go to just one title:
The Public Eye (unused score) (1992) - this is the premiere I'd be most excited for!
Also, if it counts, I'd love to get:
Brotherhood of the Gun (aka Hollister) (1991) - this score is great albeit mostly by Joel
Nothing prior 1980 is really of much interest to me (but I'll buy whatever is released).
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I dream in sets, and like the variety the TV shows offer, as well.
1. General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962)
2. The One-Offs Set: 87th Precinct (one episode: "Step Forward") (1962) , Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963) , Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963) , Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963), CBS Playhouse ("The People Next Door") (1968), Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970) Bonus Disc: Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964), Hollywood Television Theater ("The Hemingway Play") (possibly a theme only?) (1976), H.E.L.P. Theme, The General with the Cockeyed Id (short film) (1964) theme to Black Saddle (1959, uncredited)
3. The Public Eye (1992) (unused score)
4. The Unsold Pilots Set: The Sergeant and the Lady, World in White, The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio, The Expendables, Tomorrow's Newspaper (unsold pilot: "All Day to Live") (1961), Prudence and the Chief (1970) , Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972), The Best of Times (1974), Dusty (1983)
5. MacArthur (1977)
6. Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966)
7. The Westerns Set: Destry (three episodes) (1964), Have Gun - Will Travel (two episodes) (1960), Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962), Rawhide (one episode: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere") (1961), The Legend of Jesse James (one episode: "Things Don't Just Happen") (1961),
8. Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962)
9. The TV Movies Set: Indict and Convict (1974), Pursuit (1972), The Man (1972), Crawlspace (1972) , Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971)
10. The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973)
Sorry, Yavar.
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My vote is for The Salamander, even if only a music/effects track exists for it, but the new Tadlow recording is beyond tremendous.
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Any premiere by Goldsmith! COMPLETE!
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My vote is for The Salamander, even if only a music/effects track exists for it, but the new Tadlow recording is beyond tremendous.
Would be interesting to hear the original recording, but there is no way I'd fork over cash for a music and effects track (or any sub-par sonic effort) of this score after Tadlow's excellent recording of the music.
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My vote is for The Salamander, even if only a music/effects track exists for it, but the new Tadlow recording is beyond tremendous.
Would be interesting to hear the original recording, but there is no way I'd fork over cash for a music and effects track (or any sub-par sonic effort) of this score after Tadlow's excellent recording of the music.
I was thinking such a release would only be as a suite of whatever music still existed in clean form (as on the Network DVD of Raise The Titanic), but aside from the under-mixed piano stabs on the main title, the Tadlow recording is immaculate. Leigh Phillips truly worked a miracle on this one.
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- no, actually I heard the samples at the Odyssey podcast and I'm sold)
