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Shareholders and social media may have a bigger say than a corporate officer. It depends on the stink made, however.
Oh, absolutely.
That's what I meant by "CEO (or equivalent of)".
What a mess...
And it gets even more muddy when one considers how impermanent some people in those positions can be.
One minute you have pro-vax people in charge, a month later the opposite come walking in--or vice versa.
The employees can get whiplash from trying to keep up with the changes.
@ Mr. Octoberman: do you have any specific examples?
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Jul 28, 2021 - 10:20 AM
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This thread has been fascinating, from the "over-hype" origins, until now. Due to politics and name-calling, I thought everything would disappear. So, I want to thank the moderators for their patience and everyone for contributing. I was able to share some personal anecdotes, vent about occupational issues (during the early phase of the NY/NJ "lockdown"), and read about other people's experiences in the US and other countries.
After Mr. Kendall's threat to remove the thread, I reread some of the earlier post. One post, from Ado (in March 2020) sticks out:
... we can see it is made worse, because even here people are not taking it seriously. The potential real outcome, 600,000 US dead, and many thousands with life long damage to their lungs. Call me buzz kill, whatever, it is not funny. People need to take the science seriously...
It is hard to comprehend that this virus has been attributed to more than 600,000 deaths in the US. :0 It does not feel like this many people have died...
Just out of interest how many people on here are pro mandatory vaccination for everyone who will not have the vaccine (with a few caveats)?
The caveats... If a person had covid, why should she/he have to get a vaccination (and booster shots)? Also, if I had covid, will getting the vaccination and (incessant) booster shots cause any future health effects? I was going to write I am not for mandatory vaccinations, but, I see the quagmire. It almost like in the beginning of the thread where there was a debate over statistics - the death rate, the infection rate, the percentages, etc. Like before, I think we should focus on two numbers, the number of deaths and hospitalizations, but even if we focus on the number of deaths, less than 3000 of the 600,000 death's were for people under 30 years old. I don't want to get caught in the sand, but I can see how younger people might not fear the virus or want to take the (unapproved) vaccines.
...However, one thing I want to ask and have not seen while scrolling through this thread are any specific reasons here as to why some members don't trust the COVID vaccine....
I think it is more than not trusting the vaccine. It's not trusting the business or the government (the CDC). The CDC's marketing campaign promoting an annual flu vaccine and the department's evolving stance on the flu vaccine recommendations (age groups, nasal spray) can be a factor in someone mistrusting the agency. Mistrust could also be occurring because of the way the CDC calculates flu-death's (see article below). Then there is the issue of countries using, accepting, and banning certain flu vaccines.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-cdc-influenza-math-doesnt-add-up-exaggerating-death-toll-to-sell-flu-shots/
If we start to discuss business and mistrust, there is Johnson and Johnson (DuPont, etc). Johnson and Johnson was in the news recently regarding their billion dollar settlement for their role in the opioid crisis and there are the ongoing lawsuits about baby powder. Couple this with the potential ills of the vaccine - allergic reaction, blood clots, GBS, heart issues (and ????), and I could see why a young and healthy person would examine the numbers, roll the dice, and go with Nature (God?).
-Rex
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Jul 28, 2021 - 11:10 AM
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Ado
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@ rex,
I wish that I had been wrong back then, but, alas, the statistics today are at 611,000 US dead. And almost everyone in the health care community says that even this number is probably a serious undercount. It is also remarkable that 100,000,000 people in this country are eligible for the Covid-19 vaccine, but have not taken it. The only conclusion is that the death count is going to continue to climb, and a lot.
Herein, we have a solid contradiction of the folksy old American self congratulation, "we are grown up, responsible, and free, but we always do the right thing- we are capable of making the right decision" Well, no, pretty much 50% of the nation is not, has not. The politicizing of health care by demonizing mask wearing and taking the vaccine as being some indicator of being somehow "less patriotic" has been aggressive for the past year, and it continues even now. Something is sadly, very very wrong in this country. And I cannot see it getting better anytime soon.
The vaccines are extremely safe and effective.
If you do not want to use the JJ I can understand that
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@ rex,
I wish that I had been wrong back then, but, alas, the statistics today are at 611,000 US dead. And almost everyone in the health care community says that even this number is probably a serious undercount. It is also remarkable that 100,000,000 people in this country are eligible for the Covid-19 vaccine, but have not taken it. The only conclusion is that the death count is going to continue to climb, and a lot.
Herein, we have a solid contradiction of the folksy old American self congratulation, "we are grown up, responsible, and free, but we always do the right thing- we are capable of making the right decision" Well, no, pretty much 50% of the nation is not, has not. The politicizing of health care by demonizing mask wearing and taking the vaccine as being some indicator of being somehow "less patriotic" has been aggressive for the past year, and it continues even now. Something is sadly, very very wrong in this country. And I cannot see it getting better anytime soon.
The vaccines are extremely safe and effective.
If you do not want to use the JJ I can understand that
Do you have any evidence for these wild, scaremongering claims? It must be really depressing being you, cowering, afraid, worrying all the time.
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611,128 deaths
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
Pretending it is not real - does not make it not real.
Wishing it to go away, will not make it go away.
Over 600 000 deaths from heart disease in the US, year in year out. Pretending that this is not real - does not make it not real. Why is the outcry? Why isn't this treated as a "health crisis"?
Wishing it to go away, will not make it go away, nor will cowering behind the moderator, manlet.
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I have been dragged back into this thread for the last time. I am locking it. Don't start it again.
Lukas
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