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I'm not quite sure why people can't hear the lyrics, they're coming in loud and clear for me: it's about someone who's been lied to one's whole life that even death itself cannot be trusted. Considering that this represents a shift in Bond's legacy, and as ASMR songs go, this is the goods. Eilish sounds far more adult than what Sheryl Crow tried to belt in Tomorrow Never Dies (but seriously, that WASN'T a five year old singing instead of Crow?)
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I played the youtube video of this new Bond song the other day. It struck me as sad and vaguely pretty, but not catchy. It doesn't have much of a hook.
But I will say this for it: it seems connected in some vague way to the Bond universe and probably this movie. My problem with "Writing's on the Wall" is that it has nothing whatsoever to with James Bond or the movie it's attached to. Nothing. Is it supposed to reflect the feelings of James Bond? He is NOTHING like that, and would never say those things. Is there any character in the film, to say nothing of a male character, that this song could be speaking for? No.
Purely as a song, "Writing's on the Wall" is much better than "No Time to Die," but at least "No Time" is probably related to its film in some way.
The lowest of the low, in my book: "Another Way to Die." It was both wrong in content and bad in music. For me, it couldn't be worse. Grading on that curve, "No Time to Die" is a huge step up.
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I played the youtube video of this new Bond song the other day. It struck me as sad and vaguely pretty, but not catchy. It doesn't have much of a hook.
But I will say this for it: it seems connected in some vague way to the Bond universe and probably this movie. My problem with "Writing's on the Wall" is that it has nothing whatsoever to with James Bond or the movie it's attached to. Nothing. Is it supposed to reflect the feelings of James Bond? He is NOTHING like that, and would never say those things. Is there any character in the film, to say nothing of a male character, that this song could be speaking for? No.
Purely as a song, "Writing's on the Wall" is much better than "No Time to Die," but at least "No Time" is probably related to its film in some way.
The lowest of the low, in my book: "Another Way to Die." It was both wrong in content and bad in music. For me, it couldn't be worse. Grading on that curve, "No Time to Die" is a huge step up.
Absolutely agree on "Another Way to Die".
I'm surprised at your comments on "Writing's on the Wall". By the end of SPECTRE, at least to me, it's pretty clearly connected to the romance between Madeleine and Bond.
"I've been here before / But always hit the floor / I've spent a lifetime running / And I always get away / But with you I'm feeling something / That makes me want to stay" = Vesper, his life as a spy/assassin, and Madeleine
A million shards of glass / That haunt me from my past = Basically, the previous three movies plus the backstory from SKYFALL and SPECTRE. They even show the meaning here by having the images of Le Chiffe, M, Vesper, and Silva in the shards
As for the lyrics regarding a coming storm, stars gathering, and light fading, it's all imagery of some final reckoning or climax, which, in the movie, would be Blofeld and the revelation that he's been behind everything in the Craig film.
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I still can't fathom why they went with her.
Because $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Yavar - Dear god what was that?!? Spy? That was amazing!
I like the new song. I think it might be going to the well of miserable tragedy that Writing on the Wall already covered. It does seem a fitting capstone to the Craig Era.
If Zimmer uses it as part of his score (and it seems he's going to) will he be the first Bond composer to use a song he didn't write? Arnold only used the songs he wrote. I don't think Kamen used License to Kill in the score did he?
Ok, I have no idea if Newman used either of the songs for his movies in his score. Anyway, they certainly didn't form the backbone of the score the way the composer written songs have.
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LOVED it! The naysayers may complain but c'mon, this is 2020 and if you're yearning for Shirley Bassey (the 60s), Carly Simon (the 70s), Sheena Easton (the 80s) or even Tina Turner (the 90s), then you need to enter to the new millennium rather than yearning for the past. Billie Eilish won 5 Grammys this year and her debut album debuted at no. 1 on Billboard's top 200 list and went on to become the year's best selling album. She's riding a hot streak and that's why bagging her for the Bond film was a coup for the Bond franchise.
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But...if you look at Academy Rules....The song cannot put out in other media form, without the movie shown first.
The Academy states: "an original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the motion picture. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the motion picture or as the first music cue in the end credits."
It says nothing about other media. Both Skyfall and Writing On The Wall from Spectre debuted before the release of the Bond films and they went on to win Oscars for best song so there's your answer. You're misreading the Academy "rules". Skyfall, Spectre and No Time To Die were all written specifically for their films and released after they were written for the films but before the film opens.
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LOVED it! The naysayers may complain but c'mon, this is 2020 and if you're yearning for Shirley Bassey (the 60s), Carly Simon (the 70s), Sheena Easton (the 80s) or even Tina Turner (the 90s), then you need to enter to the new millennium rather than yearning for the past. Billie Eilish won 5 Grammys this year and her debut album debuted at no. 1 on Billboard's top 200 list and went on to become the year's best selling album. She's riding a hot streak and that's why bagging her for the Bond film was a coup for the Bond franchise.
For financial purposes, sure. For marketing purposes, sure. For marketplace visibility purposes, sure. But for musical purposes - and this is a music forum, not a marketing forum - it's terrible. It's got nothing to do with nostalgia for past decades and everything to do with the lack of musical oomph of a whiny half-speed mumble that's supposedly the musical signature of the biggest action-adventure movie franchise in the world but which adds nothing to that legacy. If this was the theme song to a one-off non-franchise movie, who'd care? But it's a James Bond song and the bar for those is high, and No Time To Die doesn't come anywhere near it - no matter how many Grammys she's won and how many albums she's sold.
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Its simplicity can be deceiving - but the more I listen to it the more I can detect this song´s power and its great arrangement and mixing.
This will definitely be considered as one of the great Bond songs once people get over the fact that it is different from the previous eras´ songs.
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Dont like the song.Its too...quiet?
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